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And then you have Obama playing the blame game and pandering for votes. Get real...a true leader leads and does not put others on the hot seat for their decisions be they good or bad.
#1 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:58 AM EDTYour right, he should act like the President and pretend everything is fine. He should be a leader turn into the wind and lead. Oh he hasn't been authorized to lead, YET!
Talk about getting real, the Neo-Cons have done nothing but blame the Democrats for everything they could think of,even when it was the Neo-Cons that had caused the problems
So you want Obama to act like everything is FINE AND DANDY here in the USA... just ignore the declining value of the US Dollar?? Embrace failed policies that have devalued the dollar 50% in the last eight years?? Bury his hand in Iraq sand and ignore reality??
Sorry, but I dont want a candidate who is more of the MCSAME.... lets have a candidate who tells it like it is... I have had enough of McCain/Palin trying to sell me a silk purse..
No we want obama to act like he always does. Above my pay grade. It takes this idiot five minutes to answer a yes or no question. He has no answers.
You have hit the nail on the head. Obama is the last person you would want answering that 3 am call!
At least he'll answer the call and not sleep through it like BUSH/McSAME!!!
I think we should just keep that lipstick on the pig and build the bridge to nowhere. Why should we look for change when there are so many out there who are too blind to realize that, for far too long, we have allowed our elected officials to destroy our country? Obama might not be the perfect choice, but he is so much better than someone who merely stands on his time as a POW in Vietnam, or his running mate who wants to only appoint friends to high-paying positions...and uses private email accounts for official business so that the records can not be subpoenaed.
Allen, its idiots like you that are going to get McCain/Palin elected with your classless attacks. Does Obama favor his friends over his enemies? You are a blind idealogue. People like you have ruined Oregon.
To Pat
I would much rather have a politician who actually THINKS before they speak than someone who is merely reading off pre-progammed cue cards written by someone else...with someone else's ideas. Those cue cards will not be there at 3 am. It is going to take someone who is actually able to THINK on their own.
Allen in Oregon believes John McCain only stands on his Vietnam record?? John McCain has a long legislative record as well...He has reached across the isle to reform campaign financing laws. John McCain has fought against waste in Government...which Obama has in his short legislative record proves to be a big spender.
It would be prudent for you to arm yourself with the facts before you vote. The Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac fiasco falls in the lap of Dodd the ranking Dem. on the banking committee, for blocking the tough legislation to regulate the powerful GSE coming from the Republicans.
You seem worried about Sarah Palin...when you should be worried about Obama...He wants to raise taxes, redistribute wealth, grow government, and keep fuel prices high...This is his economic plan. John McCain's plan is to create an environment that encourages investment and growth, reduce spending, limit access of lobbying groups, keep taxes low, shrink the size of government. Come on it's a no brainer!
Don't worry Allen, you're not alone, just because they like to be loud, doesn't make them right...in fact I read these forums on my lunch hour just for the laughable arguments. Most Real Americans know FASCISM when they see it...it usually starts out with something like Robin Hoodish Heros and their 'redistribution of wealth' because some people have 'too much' and need to share...then it ends up with whoever has a new shiny thing has too much...and it de-vovles into a lack of moral requirements to work hard and earn your way through life...
You don't have to be a neo-con to see that the only thing uniting demo-rats is their HATE. It's not their fault really, it is easy to HATE when you lose sight of family values and put your immediate needs before others...more government programs, tax the rich/make'em pay, more universal health care, I need my government sponsored subsidy, my life is tough/but its not my fault....bleh! My fingers and brain feel violated for having just typed all that sledge....
Even Karl Rove had to admit yesterday that the McCain campaign's lies and negative attacks have gone "too far."
John McCain is running the most negative and dishonest campaign in modern presidential history. He has demonstrated that he'd rather lose his integrity than lose this election.
It's right out of the Bush-Rove playbook. Unfortunately, as Karl Rove knows better than anyone, these shameful tactics have worked in the past.
To Brent
If you do some checking into the records of both McCain and Palin, you will find that the comments that I made will stand the test. Palin only changed her mind on the Bridge to Nowhere when she ran across too much resistance. The comment I made about her using private email for official business is also a fact...one that came out only a couple of days ago. There have also been many questions raised about her appointing her unqualified friends to important governmental posts and labeling anyone (even supporters) who do not agree with her particular views, as "haters" (her words...not mine). Not only that, but she has done her best to circumvent the EPA in order to keep those oil wells being drilled. (forget about the Polar Bear...it doesn't bring in any money) Instead of putting her energy toward helping to find alternate sources of energy, she is following in the steps of W and pushing for even more drilling to be done in ecologically sensitive areas. We have the technology to develop (as 2 other countries have done) a source of NON_POLLUTING power that has very little effect on the environment, but will provide all of our needs...TIDE POWER. This uses the power of the tides to produce electricity without the use of any fossil fuels or damns. Science has proved that we can provide an inexhaustible source of power using these tides. The big problem is that BIG OIL DOES NOT MAKE ANY MONEY FROM IT, so W (and the rest of our elected officials) are not pushing it's development and use here. So...do we want to continue with the status quo by electing more of the same to lead our country into oblivion, or choose someone with a little bit of vision that wants to help lift us out. The choice is yours.
Gee, a little thought before action is a bad thing? Action before thought has gotten us into a mess. And don't think the taxpayers aren't going to in one way or another foot this bill. Why doesn't anyone take the time to think anymore? I want someone like Obama that takes his time to answer a question rather than the jump into the fire with both feet types. We have had eight long years of that.
BTW, Brent
By your reaction to my earlier comment, you must be a McCain/Palin supporter. The reason I say that is, just like McCain, when you are faced with the truth, you respond in the most intelligent way you know...with slander. Instead of spouting off with some mindless drivel, post a REAL response with some intelligence in it.
LOL your just lost.
Heres whats simple, the buck stops with the President.
Bush has had it his way for 7-8 years and guess what. HE'S FAILED ON ALMOST EVERY LEVEL"
You are right a true leader would stand by their decision good or bad. Mccain..voted for stem cell research: whoops changed my mind. Wanted Roe v. Wade: whoops changed my mind, Against the Bush tax cuts: whoops changed my mind. Yeah real leader is not this guy and I will not even talk about Palin who thinks she can talk to god.
Ha!
Joe F Las Vegas-
It's ALWAYS the Economy, Stupid!
are you high? sharing Rush's oxy? Obama has simply stated the truth..sometimes it hurts, especially when you're called out for being in bed with thieves
It sounds like you voted for Bush twice.
I was responding to Glime
Hey! McSame started the Blame Game!
Obama already has proposed economic policies much more fiscally responsible than these GOP yayhoos, months before any of this was coming down. A long-term, healthy growth economy starts from the consumer, and works from the bottom up, not this "trickle-down", borrow from the future, instant-gratification idiocy.
Aside from the fact that Bush couldn't find his butt with both hands when it comes to finances it amazes me that for once he didn't cave in to business and give them what ever they wanted......... it must be an election year.
#2 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:01 PM EDTJoe, no its more like the above poster said - China and Oil are not involved in this one...
It's more about who's in bed with W. These people must not have been making their donations to the correct party. W only looks out for those shoving money in his pocket.
The problem here relates more to corporate greed than anything. SOX hasn't changed things, corporations have just learned new games to play with their money.
Someone needs to make Companies responsible to stockholders and employees - and stop paying CEO's and CFO's multi-millions!! They play with the numbers to make their bonus's at the expense of everyone else.
The house that W built is slowing falling down.
Yep that's my thinking as well....sad but true.
To Love Mercy
If you have watched McCain in action during this campaign, he tends to discuss (all too often) his time as a POW. Now...as far as his previous record in Congress...yes, he (at one time) did a wonderful job of 'reaching across the aisle' to help pass be-partisan bills. But, since this campaign has begun, his (and the staff he employs) tactics of lies and smears have done much to erase the good in the past. It is time for McCain to stand up and, once again, be a man of integrity, or back out of the campaign. As far as Obama wanting to raise taxes? Yes, this is true...for the richest 5%. Obama wants to do away with a majority of the tax breaks and shelters that the rich have been enjoying for far too many years while the middle class and lower class have had to bear the burden of high taxation. It is time for these tax breaks for the rich to go away. Why should I pay 25 - 28% on my earnings while those who make MILLIONS every year pay little or nothing through tax breaks? Why should people who make those millions (and billions) only have to pay into Social Security on only the first $98,000 while those in the lower income brackets especially the elderly who rely on those Social Security payments) continue to suffer? It is time for the rich to carry an equal burden.
Yeah, if Bush does anything, especially with our finances, that appears to actually benefit the average American, that's the time to either look for a blue moon, frozen Gehenna, flying pigs, or just use our common sense and do a little research to find that Bush probably didn't back them up to benefit his and his cronies interests.
**Note: "flying pigs" was not a reference to Sarah Palin. I know both their names start with 'P' so it's easy to think otherwise, but really, no harm meant!
De-regulation at work. Didn't most of the new deal laws prevent the industry from giving money to those who can't pay it? Oh wait, this administration overturned those laws...hope the right people get the blame for this at least, but they seem to be able to spin everything their way these days...
#3 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:11 PM EDTand McCain considers himself fundamentally a deregulator...
For people like Bush the economy will never be in crisis. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, made rich by the very entities that are putting the screws to the average American. So why should he or any other political aristocrat bother to regulate financial institutions or any other of their corporate sponsors. They keep their millions regardless.
#5 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:23 PM EDTI just hope this will allow people to see the real issues we should be concerned about in the up coming election. Maybe now people will focus on issues like the economy, creating jobs, forming a stable market, limiting outsourcing benefits for large company's, and increasing trade. And less on the flashy topics like picking a soccer mom to be a potential VP. Maybe this will shake people back into reality so we can pick the candidate with the best plan for the job. I love this country too much to see another rich man help his friends become richer at the cost of the working class families that made America what it is today!
Allen in Oregon, actually, the electorial college puts the president in office and not the people or the popular vote. Perhaps you might want to brush up on political science before putting yourself out there.
This is what corruption from the White House brings, more loss and growing monopolies.
Turning a blind eye to the banking industry was just another republican blunder.
Regardless of the outcome of this economic pitfall, average Americans will always catch the flack.
"Country First", huh?!?!?
#6 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:31 PM EDTYes, put Country first. Stop throwing money at our enemies and those countries who never let the donations get to the people. Fire the Republicans and we'll see a turn-around that will perhaps save our Country for future generations.
I've heard that the last generation, those that wanted something better for their children are being fooled into a McCain/Palin vote. Just look at what Bush has done and extend his tragedy for 4 more years under Republican rule.....God forbid.
As I recall, the genius behind all the deregulation - which led to the sub prime crisis, which has now crippled these big banks (who were getting well marbled from their greedy time at the trough), was non other than Phil Grahm - who until he said what he really thought about the "little guy" ( a nation of whiners) was chief economic advisor to John McCain (who admits he doesn't know much about economics).
Let's give this current gang of thieves and morons another 8 years to see if they can get it right.
#7 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:44 PM EDTright on Pat!!!!!!!!!!!!! but the sheep are still sleeping, they woke up for a minute to drool over Palin but then went back to sleep, may the lord have mercy on this once great nation because the Chinese will not, when it's time to call in the debt.... All these fouls out here thinking that McSame will be a conduit of change please. The only thing that man changes is his wives when they are not hot enough for him....... Take heed america more bad news to come
The sad, terrifying truth is that in this country abortion and same-sex marriage are more important then the ability to put food on the table, take home a paycheck, and bring our troops home. THAT'S what the Repub party will run on and THAT'S what the churches will tell their sheep to vote. They will hide behind the bible while their hands are in our pockets. Palin's plans- economy, health care, war, - does anyone know anything???? No. All we know is that she wants to overturn Roe V Wade, is 'for gay rights but against gay marriage' and will continue the abstinence program in school. ('cause we know it works SO well) Great platform for the moral majority. They'd rather collect unemployment for 6 months then welfare for the next 10 years if it meant they wouldn't see two adults of the same sex get married.
Patrick....Let's NOT.
(who were getting well marbled from their greedy time at the trough)- I've never heard this phase before, Patrick. Well put!
The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.
- Plato
Everone likes to blame Bush or the Repubicans for the financial crisis today, but the fact of the matter is this is largely the result of the abolishment of Glass-Stiegal which occurred during the Clinton watch. We will long rue the day.
#8 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:47 PM EDTIt happened on Clinton's watch in a Republician controlled Congress.
bcATwork, good point. The economy was running strong under GW and a repub congress. It wasn't until Nancy and Harry took over the purse strings that things went south.
Brent - You must have been out of the Country for the last 8 years. The Republicans stopped almost every bill before it was sent to Bush that would have stopped the economic bleeding and corrected the wrong-doing of these Republican thieves. You are just looking for excuses. Get real.
Well, this particular section has been very interesting for me. I've just spent some time researching Glass-Steagall, which I did not really know anything about. For those who want to look into the time line and cause-effect issues of the Glass-Steagall, I put some links at the bottom to help jump-start your own research.
First, Glass-Steagall was passed in 1933 to stop some practices that helped cause the Great Depression. It appears that the big banking company has been pushing to get rid of it ever since, and this has heated up starting in the 1960s and 1970s. Interestingly, the loosening up of Glass-Steagall was started by the Federal Reserve Board by Alan Greenspan. You might call this the first leaks in the dike and the widening of the leads into a notable flow.
Banking lobbyists have been pushing Congress to repeal Glass-Steagall and almost succeeded under G. H. W. Bush. The amount of money given out to members of Congress in the has been at least $300 Million, probably more. The Glass-Steagall Act was finally repealed in 1999. This was passed by a Republican controlled Congress and was signed by Clinton. So it probably fair to blame the Republican controlled Congress or to Clinton for opening Pandora's box.
Now things are like letting someone with the Hell's Angles babysit your 14 year old daughter and thinking that nothing bad is going to happen!
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/wallstreet/weill/demise.html
http://www.progressivehistorians.com/2007/11/bill-clintons-role-in-mortgage-crisis.html
Ya ya it is all the current Presidents fault. For someone whose intelligence Liberals love to insult they sure do give him a lot of credit! He caused the current financial trouble. The cause of every problem minority's have ever have. He fooled the intelligence agency's of every country about the possibility of Iraq having WMD's. He tricked almost every Democrat in Congress into voting for a war they "didn't" want. The reason for the decline in value of the dollar. He has managed to trash the bill of rights and convince Democrats to vote for that too. single handedly responsible for the rise in oil prices. The list goes on and on. Very impressive for the dumbest man in the nation!
#9 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:48 PM EDTWhen you use stealth, lies, and half truth then come up with a scheme to "FOOL" the American public in to believing you a a man of GOD and only you can save us from evil. Then I guess most gutless politicians would give Mr. Bush what he wants. But people like Ron Paul were ridiculed when he tried to warn those of you who in fact are clueless!!!!
Hey dude....isn't HE the decider? the one that says 'the buck stops here' the one that has appointed friends and old family retainter types and war gurus to his cabinet, chief of staff, department of justice, FEMA, Dept of Defense (well this is really run by Dick Cheney so I'll give it a pass)etc.
He isn't a leader - that's the problem - believe me, none of us Democrats or *gasp* liberals are giving that dumb sh*t credit for anything but corruption, cronyism, bad decisions based solely on ideology and of course his close relationship with his personal lord and saviour Jesus Christ.
All of the FUBAR elements that are here are a direct result of the biggest failed decision - the fabulous War in Iraq to rid the world of a terrible dictator (not that we care about other but you know - his family's and others interests in the ME), so borrowing money like a drunken sailor (pardons to all the sailors out there) so we are $407 TRILLION in deficit and borrowing more every day.
This is what you get in a "C" student President who didn't and doesn't care about anyone but his 'base - you know the Haves and Have Mores???' and apparantly not his legacy. But don't worry, the next guy can come in and fix it all.
Yes, Bush is one of the greatest liars in history.
I do not think that (as MOST liberals do) that Bush is not the main brain in the administration. Bush was largly a puppet strung along by his cohorts; Cheney, Rove...etc.
Fisherman144: And he does it with a straight face. Could he have learned it from his Daddy!
I'd like to know how many of you know or remember Neil Bush's role in the downfall of the Savings and Loan during Daddy Bush's term as president. I bet many of you didn't know that George has a brother named Neil. The Bush's kept this quiet when George was running for president. I can guarantee you if Daddy Bush hadn't made the press keep this quiet, Son Bush would not have been elected president.
And yes, until this presidential election, politicians had a tight rein on what the press could keep in the forefront especially when it came to their family.
Bush is a drunk--an alcoholic. If he couldn't control his drinking how could he possibly run our country but this was ignored and people chose an ineffective and defective individual to run our country. Pooh pooh on those of you who vote for Bush and pooh pooh on those of you who'll vote for McCain who doesn't have a clue about what's going on.
My concern is no one is thinking about OUR YOUTH. This election is about them and not those of us who've had our turn. Bush has destroyed this country and it's going to take years to repair the damage and mess he's made. Should our YOUNG PEOPLE have to pay for bad decisions? No. So I recommend that all focus on issues and not on a POW record or gender.
The Neil Bush S&L scandal was the reason why McCain and the rest of the Keating 5 started running interference to keep the bank examiners from finding out what was the cause of the Savings and Loan institutions going under. Neil Bush was under investigation for the failure of the S&L he was on the board of and the White House sent out the Keating 5 to slow down the investigation. McCain was more than happy to do so since Charles Keating was a business partner with McCain's wife
Come on Nanci es, everyone including the business friends of the Republican party operatives, ripping everyone off, saw this coming like a Fkn freight train without brakes. Let the words of our holy republican party guide us to the promise land of the lost and the destitute. Remember pulling your own ass up by your own bootstraps? I am sorry to say that its time failed businesses are allowed to, well, fail.... its called survival of the fittest. Remember the rule, we don't pay businesses for making the wrong decisions.
After 7 years of the republican party given all three branches of government: President, House & Senate in full and complete control vetoing anything that they did not profit from, and what you see and feel is the fruit of all their hard work.......and well stupid people out there even considering McCain/palin to get them out of a jam that was created by them is absent of a working brain???
#10 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:49 PM EDTJohn McSame and his little Pal.
amen
I can see the day when the current Administration and its friends will come crawling to the fiscally responsible Democrats for medical care, food and shelter! Remember, what goes around comes around.
Fisherman144:
See this is where you are wrong. Republicans ARE the fiscally responsible. We sock our money away in good investments. We learn to take care of ourselves and stop asking the government to do it. I assure you, Democrats are not that great. Look at some of the worst programs in our nation: welfare.. democrat started. This does nothing to help the poor. It creates a struggle cycle.
As a military wife and on.. government run healthcare for military members and their dependents.. it is NO picnic. You think healthcare is bad now? Wait until the government runs it. How do you think they plan on paying for it? HMM have to raise taxes. If you look at european nations AND Canada, you will see that these countries have government run healthcare.. guess what they also pay a tax of almost 50% of their income.. NO THANK YOU!
The reason republicans are so rich.. is because they take care of themselves. So get off you ass and start taking responsibility. If you want government run everything.. MOVE TO CANADA or EUROPE..
Seriously people, when are you ever going to learn, the governments responsibility is to take care of NO ONE.. they are there to protect our borders and uphold the law.. PERIOD. If you want a better life YOU have to work for it.
Get of the "ME, ME, ME" mentality and MAYBE you will live a happier life. IT is NOT Bush's fault so many people were GREEDY and purchased homes they could not afford without reading the fine print and learning what an ARM was.. it is the responsibility of no one but yourself to read the fine print.
I am SO tired of hearing "no one told me" "No one explained it" BOO HOO! Grow up and educate yourself! If you are loosing your home.. not due to job loss, but to ARM's.. it is YOUR FAULT! Not Bush, not the republicans.. not the Democrats.. but yours and yours alone.
Oh and let's get one thing straight.. sure Bush may be in office.. but we have had a democrat controlled congress for sometime.. if you want to say Clinton, but a republican congress.. it rolls BOTH WAYS!
Hear this flaming liberal... I saw it coming some 15+ years ago. I got out of the stock market, retired early and pay my own bills (and mortgage) with safe money in CDs. Yes, my retirement has not lost a dime in the Vegas stock market. Where would you be now if Social Security had been privatized as the republicans have been trying to do for decades.
heymrsm:
Under Clinton, the sub-prime loans took off as a way for more people to be able to own their own home (which is a large part of the American dream for a lot of people in this country). A noted McCain adviser and Republican, Phil Gramm, was the genius who pushed for and finally got many of the regulation laws overturned that were keeping sub-prime loans, etc. from getting out of control.
In case you've never had a mortgage, let me explain how this works - the bank says yes you can have one and then you sign. If the bank was responsible and not greedy, it would have said no in the first place. But since we have in this country greedy rich people (which, btw, negates the theory of trickle down economics because these same people don't really let the majority of it trickle down), we are in need of regulatory laws which you seem to agree that the upholding of laws is what the government is there for.
I get a kick out of how McCain and his friends equate free trade and deregulation with freedom. I would feel more free if I were protected from the tyrannical wealthy class in this country. We need to start taking more responsibility for our people here at home rather than other countries. It would be an insult to all who have fought and died for this country not to.
Oh and one more thing - I take care of myself just fine thanks, but it actually takes money to make it.
Problem is, thousands of secretaries and maintenance people will lose jobs and pensions and have little other than unemployment on which to rely. The people who led the companies into bankruptcy will escape with their golden parachutes intact, perhaps even enhanced. I notice that the president empathized with the people who lost their jobs, while his party stonewalls legislation in the Senate, including efforts to try to rebuild the economy that the president and his greedy friends have destroyed and efforts to help people who have been devastated by the greed of their employers. But, the president and his friends have theirs, now their concern is to continue the gravy train. When you look at the people who surround McCain, it truly is a scary sight. Doesn't anyone remember the Keating 5?
#11 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:50 PM EDTI never made more $ than when Clinton was pres.In Somalia we got our buts kicked an we left.Clinton said "You don't want us so bye bye.Think what Bush would have done ,hell we would still be there too.
#12 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:51 PM EDTThis country has been sold out, not by just one party, but by both. Slaves to the same MASTER.
#13 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:53 PM EDTIt's looking like the stock market will be about at the same level as when Bush took office. If you adjust for inflation it could be below. When was the last time that happened? Under Jimmy Carter. The Republicans use Carter as an example of a failed president so I guess Bush is also.
#14 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:01 PM EDTDevil's Advocate,
You'd better watch the 'silk purse' analogy. The GOP will be accusing you of calling Sarah Palin a sow!
:-)
#15 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:06 PM EDTGreenspan has been working for years to create this massive problem and where is he now?? Economist are the last to know how the financial system works in REAL TIME.. Why and who let the Fed reserve crank out money for Wall Street saving. Sorry for those who have annuities and life insurance for savings and retirement, you are seeing it being flushed. But are any of the Wall Street tycoons losing or have lost any money?? They have been very well rewarded for doing a TERRIBLE job...
#16 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:11 PM EDTDaddy Bush called it like it is, when he was running against Reagan - it's Voodoo Economics run wild! And sonny-boy swallowed the bull - hook, line, and sinker! Trickle down, my foot!
#17 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:13 PM EDTYour right Joe clark, what we need is Mr. and Mr. Earmark. A first term US Senator who said himself he wasn't ready to be President but since being elected has spent more time running for the office than representing the people who voted for him. A man barely qualified to run a lemonade stand. And a VP who is the #1 Washington insider. There entire platform can be summed up in 4 words: Abortion Good, Bush Bad. I'm sure this will come as a shock to you but not everything you hear on CNN is true.
#18 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:14 PM EDTthattune: Would you still defend the rights of a fetus that could grow up to be gay? Bush is bad - name one good thing that has happened for the majority of American people since he has been in office? I for one am glad I never gave him my vote. Anything is better than a member of the Keating 5, which based on character and philosophy makes McCain not fit to pour the lemonade much less run the stand. Heck, if he doesn't know much about economics or even the difference between Shiites and Sunis, he hasn't been paying attention - which is such gross neglect especially seeing that he has had 20+ years to do so. He seems to have been distracted by friends like Donald Diamond who he spent time removing red tape for a large real estate deal or the chumming up with the 59 lobbyists who helped raise money for his campaign (and this is just one event on January 29th of this year) or overseeing the people who maintain all of his 13 houses. At least Obama knows what it is like to be poor.
With the polls showing a virtual tie between the candidates, does anyone really believe that the majority of the American public will really step away from their collective denial and slap the entrenched legislators hard in the upcoming elections, or will blind party lines, personal prejuices, and and electorate who can't seem to delve past sound bites and clever adlines to make decisions on their leadership prevail once again? Then, once they are elected (no matter what party), the electorate is so self-absorbed that we don't bother to scrutinize the performance of our decision-makers (how many legislators miss a large percentage of votes??). Lawmakers don't read bills--which are packaged in massive blocks in order to hide pet projects and special interest gifts, or scrutinize the qualifications of even highest level political appointees ("Brownie" was the poster-child, but there are lots more at all levels). I am nauseated every time I hear used-car-salesman Bush (apologies to UCS's) pontificate about anything, but people here are right that he is not only clueless, but his handlers have made sure that his (and their) fortunes are insulated from the losses that the middle class pension investors will suffer. The massive corruption and blatant looting of the American economy for the purpose of personal gain in the last 8 years has been well documented and was readily apparent during the last election, but yet a majority of voting Americans chose to ignore it. Is there really any reason to believe that there is going to be any change in this collective ignorance this time around? I love America and strenously believe in our way of life, but I am seriously considering relocating out of the country since I fear that this country is on a fast downhill slide that it may be too late to stop. No anumber of verses "Don't worry, be happy" from this administration (or anyone who has been blindly supportive of it) is going to convince me that we aren't in deep trouble with no sign of daylight in the forseeable future.
#19 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:14 PM EDTI strongly agree with you statements about this country being on a fast downhill slide. I too, love this country and our way of life, yet also contemplating relocating to another country. Though I have a college education and a strong work ethic, I have no job and am living on what was to be my retirement. I was taught that I would benefit from my hard work, yet that has never happened. I am tired of being disappointed by all levels of US government and feeling cheated in the end.
Take it from someone who has tried it...Think before you pack!!! I decided when BUSH was elected the FIRST time, (instead of Gore) to relocate. Too bad the majority of the people around the world blame American INDIVIDUALS for the actions of our President. I'd be surprised if you're welcomed with open arms, anywhere. Try explaining (likely in a language that is not your mother tongue) that you didn't vote for the current administration, that you've abandoned your country because you disagree with its policies...deaf ears, my friends!
I hear the republicans once again blaming Bill Clinton for something that has gone wrong with the economy and or the country. Its been 8 years since he was in office. The republicans have controlled congress for 14 of the last 16 years, the White House for the last 8 and they have the nerve to declare Bill Clinton is at fault? Very strange.
#20 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:14 PM EDTI see the republicans have found something new to blame Bill Clinton for, the mess in the banking system. It seems like the republicans have been in control of both houses of Congress for 14 of the last 16 years and the presidency for the last 8. what has happened during the last 8 years? 9-11 happened on the republican watch, trillions of american dollars have been flushed down the drain on a war started on false pretenses by the current adminsitration. The firing of US Attourneys for not supporting the Bush political agenda, and now they have the nerve to blame Bill Clinton for the current economic mess. It seems to me they were taking credit for the strong economy in the last election cycle, how can the current mess be Bill Clintons fault when the economy was doing so well when they ran for re-election in 2004?
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The Bush adminstration didn't step in only because China and Saudi Arabia weren't at risk of losing money.