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Another shifta in the McCain capaign. He had Palin shout from the rafters about Obama's association with ACORN, but he forgot to tell her about his association with ACORN.

See below:

Sigh: McCain and his friends at…ACORN

By Michelle Malkin  •  October 13, 2008 01:14 PM

If you want to know why see-sawing John McCain has had to be goaded, prodded, begged, and dragged into spotlighting Barack Obama’s radical ACORN roots, here’s your answer:

Turns out John McCain had no problem calling ACORN members his friends during his ill-fated illegal alien shamnesty crusade.

Ugh.

Here’s a February 2006 press release trumpeting McCain’s appearance at a pro-shamnesty rally organized by a coalition led by ACORN. As the release notes, he made a second appearance for the group in NYC. Read it and gag:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Major Rally in Miami to Support Comprehensive Immigration Reform

Senator John McCain and many others to speak at the rally at Miami Dade College Wolfson Campus

Miami, Florida – February 20, 2006 ― Leaders from a diverse array of sectors will hold a rally in Miami on Thursday, February 23, 2006, in support of comprehensive immigration reform in an effort to keep immigration reform at the forefront of the public debate. Leaders from both political parties, immigrant communities, labor, business, and religious organizations will gather to call on Washington to enact workable reform.

The rally will feature Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) as the headline speaker along with elected officials, immigrants and key local and national leaders. Sen. McCain is one of the chief sponsors of the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act; bipartisan, comprehensive immigration reform legislation introduced last Congress and scheduled for consideration by the Senate in the coming weeks. A similar rally with Sen. McCain is planned for New York City on February 27.

WHO: Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), Rep. Kendrick Meek (D-FL), Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart (R-FL.), and immigrant, religious, community, business and labor leaders.

WHAT: Comprehensive Immigration Reform Rally

WHEN: Thursday, February 23, at 6:00 p.m.

WHERE: Miami Dade College – Wolfson Campus

Chapman Conference Center
Bldg 3000
300 NE 2nd Avenue

EDITOR’S NOTE: Miami Press Availability: Sen. McCain will be available for interviews starting at 4:15 p.m. on location, Feb. 23.

The Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act was introduced in the Senate by Senators Edward Kennedy (D-MA) and John McCain (R-AZ) and in the House by Representatives Jim Kolbe (R-AZ), Jeff Flake (R-AZ) and Luis Gutierrez (D-IL). It addresses border security and illegal immigration while bringing the 11 million undocumented immigrants out from the shadows and onto a path to legal permanent status; setting up legal channels and realistic caps for workers and family members to enter in the future; providing for tough enforcement; and enabling more immigrants to learn English and prepare for citizenship.

The rally in Miami is being sponsored by the New American Opportunity campaign (NAOC) in partnership with ACORN, Catholic Legal Services - Archdiocese of Miami, Florida Immigrant Advocacy Center, Florida Immigrant Coalition, Miami Dade College, People for the American Way/Mi Familia Vota en Acción, Service Employees International Union, and UNITE HERE.

ACORN is now gleefully reminding McCain of his common cause with the group to paint itself as bipartisan — while at the same time issuing the usual strident, anti-conservative statements that ought to be immediate grounds for revoking its non-profit tax status.

“I’ll rely on people to judge me by the company that I keep,” McCain said in February.

That’s not working out so good is it??

You can now stick this subject as an anti-Obama association and credit it to a McCain association with ACORN. What say you now about the company McCain keeps???????

Do you care about anyone else in the world but Obama right now?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7547650.stm

All this stupid election has done is embolden Iraq and other countries that don't give a poo about me you or our lame problems!  We use to have great opportunities to work here now it seems as if EVERYONE is looking for a hand out!  Even the BANKS, LENDERS and go figure WALL-STREET....and now the crap rolls down hill and everyone else wants a bail out??  Who is going to pay for that?

Mr Obama with his BIG MOUTH?  I don't think so..........

If he gets elected this country will become the BIG JOKE!

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you voted for Bush twice.  Pardon America for questioning your judgement!  McCain is more Bush.  America is going in a different direction to try to salvage our country.  Please apologize to the rest of us for giving us Bush twice and then shut up!!

Did you know, my friends, that I got as# shot over in Vietnam, and there I dreamed up on using that to run for President some day? Did you know I was a POW? pow, pow, keating five, gold-digging (cheating with a booze heiress some twenty years younger)? Oh, by the way, my friends, did you know I was a pow? That's all, my friends. That qualifies me to be the President, my friends. You were not a POW, I was, you lose, I win. Idiot!!

WHY WOULD OBAMA WANT TO TAKE THE HOCKY MOM TOO?  DOES HE WANT A WHITE WOMAN?

Now, now Gordon, your racism is showing. Tsk! tsk!

Some of you just need to grow up!  Ignoring the FACTS about Obama isn't going to help you at all.  If you think this man is good for you then vote for him.  It's your right.  I personally don't think he's going to win.  Too many Americans are educated and will make the right choice.  Most American workers are independent voters democrats and republicans (not a sheep to one party) and I have faith in MY PEOPLE that they will make the right choice!

When John McCain said "the economy has hurt us a LITTLE BIT" he was talking about the economic crisis hurting his own campaign.  He doesn't care about the real us - you and me and the rest of America.

The economy is really only bad for those idiots that were too greedy and tried to live above their means..  Why are you selfritious hypocrits blaming everything on McCain, when the blame rightly fal;ls on the shoulders of the Democratic congress and thier buddies that wanted to get rich quick.  Obamas no fix, hes just running for president so he can control the country gfor his socialist cronies.

How long have you been following politics Gordon? The democrats have only had the majority in the congress for the last two years. It's not enough of a majority to overrule the presidential veto. Just incase you weren't aware, the veto is held by a republican president. When was the last time he passed anything that actually helped the middle class?

Gordon we are not blaming anything on McCain accept the crap that comes out of his mouth.

McCain doesn't need a cape,  Obama is the one that comes out from under a differrent cape with a different ideal when ever the wind switches directions.

I think you're confusing Obama with McCain, Gordon.

You only need to read the comments by the conservatives on the boards to know what is happening at the rallies that gets everyone all worked up. Look at Gordon, here....

The only people stills supporting McCain are the Wingnuts and lunatic fringe.  Read their posts and you realize the McCain/Palin rallies have become like Klan meetings.

And this is what the Rush Limbaugh's and Michael Savages of the world produce.

What makes him a war hero?  That he was too stupid to escape from prison in Nam or that he was too stupid not to get shot down in the first place?  Just because he served doesn't make him qualified to be President.  And his choice for VEEP makes him look like the doddering old fool that he is. 

"What makes him a war hero?  That he was too stupid to escape from prison in Nam or that he was too stupid not to get shot down in the first place?"

Stop right there Blue, I may not be a MCCain supporter, but I was a soldier and your statement is not only ignorant but a direct insult to anyone in uniform who has ever been a POW. I may not repect what the man became afterwards, but I will not let you make light of the horrific ordeal he went through. 

Blue, I am as passionately opposed to the McCain/Palin ticket as anyone, but your comment does (and should) cause me to defend Senator McCain.  While I agree that his experience does not uniquely qualify him to be the leader of the free world, please do not demean or belittle that experience.  Blue personal attacks really are no more acceptable than Red personal attacks.

I've been Carolina blue for a very long time, but I've been an American longer.  I applaud your passion, but would ask that you please treat others with the same respect that you would wish for yourself.  Use your powers for good, Blue, use your powers for good!  Take Care.

Excellent point.  This has been my concern with McCain's plan the entire time (that he finally gave any details).  Insurance companies do NOT need or deserve any more control.  They are as ruthless as Wall Street.  Did he not learn anything?  As a very small business owner that pays for our employees health insurance because we believe that everyone should have insurance, we have seen our rates continue to raise every year.  No one in our plan has made large or really even many small claims, but the rates go up.  If the insurance companies were allowed, I know they'd go up even more but there are some controls in place now. 

Tax the benefit that we give our employees?  Why penalize them and us?  So everyone hits the market as an individual rather than a group?  Has McCain checked out those premium costs?  Of course not, he's had government insurance almost his entire life!!!

Yeah...something you should be thinking about!  funny how that just hit ya...here...try health care!

McCain/Palin Health Care Plan Analysis 10/08/08
Today, Roger Feldman and his team at HSI Network, LLC released an independent assessment of John McCain's Health Reform Proposal similar to the one done on the Obama Health Reform Plan. Both studies are available to the public at www.hsinetwork.com. Please find highlights below:


· Greater Reduction In The Uninsured: The McCain Plan would provide health insurance coverage to 27.5 million uninsured Americans, more than half of the 47 million uninsured. McCain's plan covers TWO million more uninsured Americans than the Obama plan.

· Lower Health Insurance Costs For Americans: The analysis found that Americans in every major income bracket will have, on average, "a reduction in their health insurance costs resulting from the tax credit proposal." In contrast, a corresponding analysis found that Barack Obama's plan would force people to pay more for their health care by increasing mandates on existing insurance. While the McCain plan would lower costs, the Obama plan would increase make health care costs go up even more.



· Lower And Middle-Class Americans See The Greatest Benefit: In terms of income, the most dramatic increase in the percentage of Americans with health insurance would be for those with income below the 50th percentile of wage income. More than 25 million additional workers in this income range, more than a three-fold increase, would now receive health care under the McCain plan.



· Dramatic Increase In Coverage For Vulnerable Americans: According to the report, the combination of the new tax credit for health care and the Guaranteed Access Plan (GAP) would help vulnerable populations (defined as those below the 25th percentile of wage income and having a chronic illness) see a five-fold increase in health insurance coverage.



· Preserving And Improving Private Health Insurance: The analysis found that John McCain's plan will "preserve the private health insurance system." McCain's plan will also change the current incentives in the health care system that "lock people into jobs that provide health insurance" and "provide the greatest rewards for wealthy taxpayers." Millions of American families with employer sponsored coverage in all tax brackets with the same coverage as a "Members of Congress" will now come out ahead with additional funds going into a portable health savings account. Importantly, younger and healthier employees with the McCain health care tax credit will have a bigger incentive to stay with the employers. For example, a 25-year-old employee in the 25 percent tax bracket with a $2,500 tax credit could either purchase a policy in the individual market for the same amount or stay with his employer plan and receive a $5,000 policy with an additional $1,250 to invest in a portable health savings account. Why would people choose worse insurance and less money? In contrast, Barack Obama's plan will shift tens of millions of Americans into a new government-run national public plan, increases taxes on businesses and drive down wages for workers, and exacerbate the current flaws in the system rather than improve them.



The HIGHLIGHTS about the Obama Health Care Plan:


· Barack Obama's Plan Covers Less Americans Than McCain Plan: Despite the enormous price tag and burdensome mandates, the Obama plan will cover 2 million less uninsured Americans than the McCain plan which allows American families – not government bureaucrats or insurance companies – to choose coverage that best meets their unique needs.

· Barack Obama's Plan Continues The Push Toward Government-Run Healthcare: The Obama plan will create a brand new government-run health plan at the cost of $243 billion a year – a financial burden of more than $3,000 a year on American families.



· Barack Obama's Plan Will Increase Premiums For Millions of Americans: The Obama plan will move more than 82 million Americans into plans that would cost more than they currently have as "[h]igh option PPOs as well as the national public plan would become dominant health plan offerings." So premiums will increase.


· Barack Obama's Plan Will Harm Employer Coverage: The Obama plan includes a $179 billion a year employer mandate. The mandate requires employers to either provide "meaningful" coverage or pay a tax towards the government plan.[1] Faced with tough economic conditions and rising health costs this creates a clear incentive for employers to drop coverage and move families into the new government plan. A Lewin Group study which examined a similar employer mandate combined with a national plan, like the Obama plan, concluded that almost 52 million individuals would lose their private employer coverage.[2] To maintain their competitive edge, others employers will follow - spelling the demise of the employer coverage system.


· Barack Obama's Plan Will Damage Private Coverage: The government-run plan will have a clear advantage over private insurance since it will be subsidized by American taxpayers. A recent analysis of both plans by the nonpartisan CATO Institute concluded that the Obama government-run plan will be able to "keep its premiums artificially low…since it can turn to the U.S. Treasury to cover any shortfalls" resulting in "undercutting the private market."[3] According to Wall Street Journal, the goal of the Obama plan "…like HillaryCare in the 1990s, is to displace current private coverage and switch people to the default government option."[4]

Neither candidate has laid out figures for what percentage of any person's income must be spent on health insurance.  Right now, the most modest policy is beyond my ability to pay premiums.  This is something many people would like to know. 

These are just highlights and not the full article.  You forgot to mention that McCain plans on taxing the employer for the health insurance plans that they already provide for their employees. With the new and higher expense to the employers baseline, it could mean a big problem (or problems) for you, the employee.  You could be dropped from your employers health care  coverage due to the higher expense.  Your employer might be forced to find cheaper insurance, which in turn, means less coverage for you.  With less coverage, it also means more money out of your pocket to cover procedures and medical expenses that your employer won't or can no longer cover.  It could also mean that your personal contributionsto your employers health care might go up, which again, means a greater out of pocket monthly expense to you.  This tax will affect your check book as much as it does your employer. Not good.

What the wealthy, foddering old fool fails to realize is the problem that most families face is that they cannot afford the high monthly payments for even the most basic health care coverage.  A $5,000 tax credit, that's it?  How is a tax credit in April going to help the monthly payment in say, December or even in January of the following year?   If you add up the monthly payments for basic insurance for a single person, it comes out to a lot more than $5,000 and it is double that for family coverage. These are just the  expenses for the monthly premium, not including additional costs for other medical expenses not included in a basic health care insurance plan.  So how does his hishealth care plan solve anything for the American people?

McCain is out of touch and needs to move to Alaska with the silly ding bat veep so that they can be one big, happy Republican famly.

What makes you believe that AOL subscribers are a true sampling?  I've never had an AOL account - don't know any of my friends or family who do either.  You obviously don't understand market research and it's too involved to try to explain it completely to you here.  But the gist of it is that you take a random sampling of people (making certain that you the correct percentage in all demographic groups that matches the actual country).  This means they "qualify" respondents to get the right number of Democrats, Republicans and Independents.  They ask if they are registered to vote; or if they plan to register.  They find the right mix in income levels, race, gender.  That's why they talk about a sampling error of + or - (based on statistics). 

AOL's poll only accounts for their subscribers; much as this survey is not a controlled research study.  They're all interesting and fun to read, but don't put a lot of faith in the results of either. 

The AOL poll is not scientific and the Nationwide polls have a good track record......it's interesting that Obama isn't ahead by 20 points....but perhaps we have already seen the "bradley effect" play out.

I think it's partly the "bradley effect" and partly that the polls as accurate as they try to be do not include cellphone only people.  I can't tell you how many people (especially 18-35) that I know who don't own a land line.  I think this is a demographic that is not reflected in the polls.  A few researchers have even acknowledged that this group is being severely unaddressed. 

As the majority of younger voters are going for Obama, you have to wonder if perhaps that uncounting will help offset the other.

You are right, I know of at least 6 people that have cell phone but no land phone, cell phones cost more to poll.  

Damn, you're simple if you think that an AOL poll is in any way valid. (Also when you undercut your own argument when you said that someone might have "three or four" AOL accounts.) Schmuck, all you need are two different computers anyway, or just a little knowledge. The poll doesn't have some big database of people who have voted; it merely drops a cookie onto your computer to prevent you from voting again. Any computer without that cookie will still let you vote. So I could just vote on all of the three active computers in my home, or remove the cookie from my main puter and vote again and again.