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Maybe. It is the Mothers Choice. Not ours.
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23.4%
I'm completely against it in all circumstances.
93 votes
58%
If the doctor thinks it's crucial, I'd consider it.
231 votes
18.6%
I don't know. It's a very personal decision.
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{"commentId":6308898,"authorDomain":"jbdaad"}
What's your opinion on selective reduction in a pregnancy with a high number of embryos?
Unless it is a clear threat to the mother or embryo-unless the mothers informed choice- No.
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#1 - Fri Apr 3, 2009 9:56 PM EDT{"commentId":6345483,"authorDomain":"PeanutSantiago"}
I am disabled...with severe bipolar disorder and problems with my glands. Some of what I have is probably hereditary. I am now 55 and had my four kids before I knew.
Long story short, I would seriously consider and probably have a reduction IF it gave the surviving babies a chance at a normal healthy life.
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{"commentId":6345604,"authorDomain":"bad4"}
Like how they added the poll after me and you voted?
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{"commentId":6350145,"authorDomain":"jbdaad"}
Did the poll change?
If the doctor thinks it's crucial, I'd consider it.
I agree with this one.
Friend request sent Peanut.
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{"commentId":6364077,"authorDomain":"bad4"}
Yup! It changed. That is why me and you have the two odd ball uncolored ones at the very top (above the comments).
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{"commentId":6309071,"authorDomain":"bad4"}
I feel it is the mother's choice. Many folks have claimed pro choice then bashed the Octo Mom over making a choice not to abort some of the babies. That is just hypocritical.
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#2 - Fri Apr 3, 2009 10:13 PM EDT{"commentId":6310058,"authorDomain":"sorrelen"}
USAF - I just question her choice of having more babies when she already had 6 at home and no real honest way to care for them. With having 3 already on disability and living with her mom. I have nothing against single mom's but to choose to bring that many babies in the world knowingly without a father figure seems like a bad choice to me.
I am pro choice and I just question her choice to get pregnant again. Although I hear she is in talks for a reality show so maybe that is what she was thinking all along...
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{"commentId":6310400,"authorDomain":"bad4"}
I question her choice too, but I am talking about those who are bashing her. Yet, it is still her choice. Many have gone way overboard on this in their bashings (even death threats in some cases) and the media won't stop. I mean, if it is going to be a persons choice, then we have to let them make it even if it is a mistake or it is no longer their choice. It becomes the publics choice through a majority rule.
I realize that there is the health issues, the public assistances issues, 14 kids with little to no help, etc. Yet, there are consequences in anything (and everything) we do and this just happens to be a consequence of either pro life or pro choice. Either side of the issue has the same outcome once she has made the choice to have the babies.
Now, if you want to bash the doctor........Go right ahead. The Doctor never should have allowed it. If the Doctor had have said no, the issue would be mute. Remember, the Doctors Oath is to first do no wrong. The Doctor should have known that this was bad for the babies. It is my understanding that the Doctor did the other inseminations for her other children. That tells me the Doctor knew there would be fourteen if all births survived.
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{"commentId":6314270,"authorDomain":"sorrelen"}
I guess I question them both. I question her sanity and the doctor for allowing this to happen. Implanting 6 embryos seems just crazy. I understand she didn't want her embryos thrown away but couldn't she have given them to someone who needed them? I was one of the harsh ones on her I will admit that. I agree the death threats were too far. I just said that they really need to look at her mental state and whether she is capable to take care of all those children.
She had stated she felt the need to have so many children because she felt lonely from her childhood and that seems like a bad choice for starting such a huge family. She is only 33 so it is theoretical that if she gets another one of these episodes she could try and get pregnant again.
My personal belief which is being stated by only reading statements made by her is that she has some issues that need to be dealt with. She fired the nurses from the agency that were helping her out for free because they were spying on her? I don't know but something just seems wrong with the whole situation starting with her choice, the doctor helping her and the aftermath. I pray for her and those babies that they are well taken care of and can get what they need.
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{"commentId":6314387,"authorDomain":"bad4"}
I just said that they really need to look at her mental state and whether she is capable to take care of all those children.
Yes, that is a great point. If she is not mentally stable, the kids could be in further harm. You would think they would have evaluated this before the impregnation.
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{"commentId":6322854,"authorDomain":"sorrelen"}
I wonder if they have done it yet at all?
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{"commentId":6344815,"authorDomain":"elisetruman"}
I happen to be one of triplets. As little kids, we nearly drove my mom crazy simply because caring for all the basic needs of three kids around the clock for 365 days a year is the most taxing job in the world. Always tons of chores, never a minute's downtime, and one constant challenge after another for my mom to feel she had met our basics.
I think those who try to guilt women into gestating every possible embryo their fertility doctor creates are doing mothers a major disservice. Especially when this embryo guilt turns women into a version of Octomom in which they don't know when to stop the implantations. Sometimes you simply have to reduce to triplets or (so hard to type this) twins for immediate physical health reasons, and also for the long term psychological health of the mom.
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#3 - Mon Apr 6, 2009 5:51 PM EDT{"commentId":6344834,"authorDomain":"mollybs-1"}
Any responsible physician has THE CONVERSATION with the mother and dad PRIOR to the fertility treatments.
I underwent fertility treatments at a university health center. We were sat down and the entire process was described to us. We were asked to sign a statement - indicating that if multiple fetuses were the result of the treatments and they were risking my health or the health of the fetuses - what would we want to do? Selective reduction was completely explained. Also we were asked whether or not we wanted to donate, freeze or destroy any unused embryoes.
There were NO surprises.
Unfortunately, for me - I did not have the recommended estrogen levels to "grow" healthy eggs. I had to stop the fertility treatments.
There ARE standards that reproductive endocrinologists and gynecologists adhere to. Then there are also outlier physicians in it to make a buck.
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#4 - Mon Apr 6, 2009 5:53 PM EDT{"commentId":6370464,"authorDomain":"jjlatimer"}
I couldn't agree more - no one should enter into fertility treatments without being fully prepared to reduce in the event there are multiple fetuses. A woman should also be fully informed as to what the risks are for having multiples. I personally think it's competely selfish and unfair for women to choose to carry multiple fetuses (more than 3) in the name of religion, guilt, beliefs, whatever. Why would anyone want to sentence a baby to a potential life fraught with medical issues because they had not fully committed to the idea of reduction in the event of multiple fetuses? Why would any woman be willing to put a newborn through the hell of tubes and needles for weeks on end after a premature birth as the result of carrying multiples? Babies do feel pain. When I hear of stories like that of "octomom" and see the footage of the babies connected to wires and tubes, all I can think is "how could you put your baby through that suffering"?
Although I do believe that every woman has the right to take advantage of medical technology, I wonder if it's ever occurred to women who utilize fertility treatments that maybe it's God's will that they cannot become pregnant? After forcing the issue with fertility treatments, then they claim "in the name of God" that they refuse to reduce multiple fetuses. I see that argument as being extremely hypocritical.
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{"commentId":6369476,"authorDomain":"Bev-33071"}
I think that reductions should always be performed when there are more than 3 babies. The risks to the health of the babies and the mother are too high. The long term health care costs can also be very high and the child may be physically and/or mentally impaired for life.
I'm sorry to be practical/cold about it, but what is the point of spending hundreds of thousands of dollars, in some cases millions, on a human being who will never become a productive member of society? On a human being who will cause his or her parent(s) to be unable to work in socieity or take time away from the raising of other children who will or potentially could be born and become productive members of society?
I don't think that parents consider the quality of life that they take away from their other children when they deliberately bring a disabled child or children into the family. Never mind that their own lives are essentially going to be spent as caregivers for life if the child is fully disabled. I have observed this first hand with relatives and friends.
Having a reduction after 3 babies should be a given. If one is not willing to have a reduction, then one should not undergo fertility treatments. If a person wants to bring God into the argument - God apparently did not want them to have children - and they should accept that. Infertility treatments are about science - not God.
And if someone already has two or three kids - they don't have a fertility problem. They shouldn't even be eliglible for treatments. Like the Octomom - she had 6 kids - half of whom had developmental problems severe enough to qualify for state disability payments - what business did she have bringing anymore children into this world? She certainly no longer had a fertility problem with 6 kids. Having children you cannot afford to care for financially or emotionally is totally irresonsible. There is no way that one person can care for 14 children under the age of 6 on an emotional level - there isn't enough time in the day. I hope the State of CA takes them away from her and adopts them out to people who can't have children.
It's too bad you don't need a license or a permit or minimal parenting education to have a child. This country should probably do something to discourage large families. Maybe we should stop dependent tax deductions and free public school tuitions after the third child or something. And pay anyone, male or female, legal or illegal, over the age of 16, a bonus of $10,000 who undergoes free voluntary permanent sterilization from the Federal government. It might turn out to be the biggest long-term money saver ever.
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#5 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 12:26 AM EDT{"commentId":6370481,"authorDomain":"jjlatimer"}
Agreed - and there are probably plenty of people who will call us "cold" for our beliefs. I call it being realistic.
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{"commentId":6371690,"authorDomain":"rainasmama"}
Maybe if they didn't implant so many at one time, no one would be forced to make such a horrible decison??!! Doctors should not be allowed to implant more than two embryos at a time. Simple!!
We are playing God and then using God as an excuse not to be responsible for our choices. We are not dogs or cats, we don't have litters!
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- 3 votes
#6 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 7:39 AM EDT{"commentId":6372167,"authorDomain":"jbdaad"}
We are playing God and then using God as an excuse not to be responsible for our choices
That was well put.
be responsible for our choices
Informed choices? Educated choices? Levels of? Not all choices are made the same by people. Sounds simple and is realistically not.
Friend request sent..
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{"commentId":6388213,"authorDomain":"lanaboone77"}
i vote no because it's the same as abortion. If God wanted her to have six babies, then that's what she should have. God creates beautifully, don't ruin his design.
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#7 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 11:27 PM EDT{"commentId":6391067,"authorDomain":"jjlatimer"}
If God had wanted her to have 6 babies, then he would have created the 6 babies naturally, without the use of fertility drugs. Furthemore, God never naturally impregnates a woman with 6 babies - it's unheard of. When you take God's work into your own hands, you must do so responsibly. When you force the issue of pregnancy, you should not use God as an excuse to act irresponsibly.
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{"commentId":6391477,"authorDomain":"jbdaad"}
J. Hicks,
Furthemore, God never naturally impregnates a woman with 6 babies - it's unheard of
Rare but not unheard of I believe.
Multiple birth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A multiple birth occurs when more than one fetus is carried to term in a single pregnancy. Different names for multiple births are used, depending on the number of offspring. Common multiples are two and three, known as twins and triplets. These and other multiple births occur to varying degrees in most animal species, although the term is most applicable to placental species.
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{"commentId":6587994,"authorDomain":"inventor-2"}
If you make the decision to have a litter of children, just like dogs do, then you deal with it. No one else (tax payers) should be made to pay for your irresponsible decisions.
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#8 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:03 PM EDT{"commentId":6588110,"authorDomain":"jbdaad"}
{"commentId":6588415,"authorDomain":"inventor-2"}
jbdaad - How many tits do you have?
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#9 - Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:21 PM EDT{"commentId":6589048,"authorDomain":"jbdaad"}
#9 Was not my quote. Do you really want to start with man boobs? Fruedian slippage already? How long have you had this thing for man boobs?
Freudian slip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
History. The Freudian slip is named after Sigmund Freud, who described the phenomenon he called Fehlleistung (literally meaning "faulty action" or "misperformance" in German), but termed as parapraxis (from the Greek παρά + πράξις, meaning "another action" in English).
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{"commentId":6589372,"authorDomain":"vavanancy51"}
This is a difficult question to answer. It must be done in a calm and non-judgemental manner! When you're in "the heat of battle", every thing feels different. Very different when you can stand back and see the "view" from a distance. Medical advances make a lot of things possible, that doesn't mean it should be done. But ,it is between the patient and his/her doctor. Just did a comment on insurance and this may be contributing to high costs of Healthcare. We ALL need to be more responsible.
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