Did transit workers do enough in subway rape case?

The idiot is the person who knows that the lions come out at night to hunt, and who goes out unarmed anyway. Reality is reality. Learn or get hurt.

Well, it's good to know that there are people like you out there. Wizards that think that behavior like this should be expected and planned for. I'm sure when you walk out the door each day you expect to arrive home just fine, and you should. So should she. But the primary issue here, aside from the sad fact that you are yet another example of the ignorance running rampant in this country, is that people watched her being abducted and abused and did the absolute bare minimum required of them to help. What a horrible thing for her to be subjected to people with such little respect for a fellow human being. And to think that someone like you would probably do the same thing, figuring she must be to blame for being where she was. Shame on you.

jim i dare say, you are a total idiot. she went out at night, why? you dont know, it could have been for any reason, an emergency, her class ran late...anything. so dont try to pin this on her. another thing, wats in question here isnt her judgement. the fact is that it happened, BUT why didnt those two workers just stand by and do nothing? THAT is whats the issue here. get it right

Self preservation cannot come first in NYC. It is against the law to carry non-lethal protection, such as pepper spray or mace.

Now, if you want to shoot someone at a club or through a window, guns are legal in the city.

So true Crystal and so sad.

This is how we are twisted! I cannot protect myself with pepper spray from someone attacking me but another individual has the means to "spray"bullets on random individuals.

Really. That's interesting about nonlethal protection being illegal in New York. Why not just go buy a gun then, and learn how to use it? Problem solved.

The bearing of arms is one of our Constitutional rights, set in place so we can defend ourselves and rise up against a corrupt regime. I think it was Ben Franklin who called the weapons "the people's liberty teeth."

If someone is trying to rape, rob, or kill you, you have the right to defend yourself using deadly force.

I'm sorry -- but if that's the case about non-lethal protection in NYC, it wouldn't make a difference to me... I'd STILL have mace or pepper spray -- maybe a set of brass knuckles with me while I'm at it... Better to get a ticket or misdemeanor charge of "unlawful possession" of that stuff than be raped... Of course -- I'd probably kill the SOB, so they'd have to find me first!!!

The young woman stated she was bear hugged, therefore her arms were immobilized. How would having a weapon have helped in these circumstances?

Perhaps if she had had a gun her attacker could have taken it away from her and perhaps used it on her and the bystanders. No doubt the bystanders would then have done something to save themselves( the cowardly wusses).

If the transit authority think it is unsafe for a person to travel on their system at 2 in the morning then perhaps they need to shut down their service until it is safer. Better idea of course would be for them to employ more transit police.

Why is it safer to travel at all hours in other first world countries and some other 3 world countries except here?

There are third world countries where I doubt the attacker would have been alive or for that matter have been able to flee (if he could still walk when they are done with him) before the police showed up. LOL

Come to think of it, it is hard to believe in this day and age in the USA that a crime of this type would have been actively witnessed and nothing was done by the bystanders to stop it.

"The young woman stated she was bear hugged, therefore her arms were immobilized. How would having a weapon have helped in these circumstances? "

A weapon would not have helped her in that circumstance, but knowing a little self defense would have helped. If somebody bear hugs you, you can headbut them if their chin is in close proximity to your head. That will shake them up a bit.

You can also take your foot and slide it as hard as you can down their shin bone and stomp on their foot. That is guaranteed to hurt.

Going completely limp is a good trick too. An attacker won't expect that, and you will become dead weight, at which point if you're using your head when they drop you, you can think of something else to do to get away. You can't panic. You have to think.

dark farie i agree with you all the way. BUT if you do get a gun, make sure you are VERY well trained with it, because if you pull it out thinking you will scare him off and wind up gettin it taken from you and used against you, well, it just defeats the purpose and you are seriously SOL

It's a worse day in America when people think judges should rule however they see fit instead of law. No law required them to do any more than they did, therefor the ruled accordingly and correctly. It is no ones responsibility to defend you except YOURS. Should someone have helped? Maybe. Should they be legally obligated to? No! It is a selfish person who won't help someone in trouble. It is an even more selfish person who DEMANDS it!

That's a stupid analogy. I know what an alligator looks like, but cowardly SOB's that rape women and children look like everyone else. Catholic Priests have raped, grandpa will rape, the nice policeman that lives next door, your minister and even your husband will rape. Even dead women have been raped. Would one of you sexist idiots tell me just one place where a woman IS safe. Really, I want to know!!!

thepatsy

Even dead women have been raped. Would one of you sexist idiots tell me just one place where a woman IS safe. Really, I want to know!!!

Right after you tell me where anyone is safe.

OMFG!!! how can you say stuff like that? Maybe Firefighters are the only ones allowed to fight fires, but that doesnt mean that bystanders cant try to help people before the firefighters get there. This is not about money, or a lawsuit, this is about the lack of human decency. The rapist more than likely has mental issues, but what is the workers excuse? Lack of Caring, thats it. Also, you can't make the statement that MTA did their job. They are responible for providing a SAFE, reliable means of transportation using TAX money. Every Station should have a security guard 24/7, that is just common sense.

No one is saying bystander can't help, or shouldn't help. What this is about is this woman and her lawyers want people to be REQUIRED to help. What do you think about a law requiring you to run into a burning building, or dive into icy waters to help someone drowning? Should you be obligated by law to help others and put your life in danger? This woman didn't sue becaue the MTA's transit system didn't have the propper measures in place, she sued because she felt the employees didn't do enough to help her. They hit the panic button and alerted authorities! What more should be required? How do you forgive an attacker and not the people that called for help? Oh yea, they didn't find the attacker, she can't sue him. But the MTA has money... No good deed goes unpunished and they should not be forgiven until they pay for thier deed.

They hit the panic button and alerted authorities! What more should be required?

More than they were capable or allowed to do. Laws must be changed to allow people to interfere somehow without threat of being sued. Somehow our system has been twisted to where people feel they are not allowed to do more than call the police.

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Isn't there such a thing as the 'good samaritan act or law? If so wouldn't it apply so that the person who provides help cannot be sued?

Oh well, we have a law for everything else why not this? But then again, people break laws all the time so why bother?

Perhaps these bystanders were just wusses or the usual mindless drones one finds every where, who no matter what will not be helpful, and whose mantra is ' I was only doing my job'.

If the young woman had run on to the platform without paying for her ticket they would have tackled her and have her arrested for not paying her fare.....LOL Being raped on the other hand ...... oh well that is just in a days people watching. LOL

Perhaps they thought she was a prostitute who was engaging in rough sex, but called it in just to be on the safe side anyway, while doing nothing else to check if this was so.....

Wonder if these guys know about karma? What goes round comes around......

Isn't there such a thing as the 'good samaritan act or law?

if there was, the lawyers squashed it years ago. it would have reduced their ability to go after deep pockets.

Again, would you consider it vindictive justice if it were you laying there being beaten or raped while others looked on, doing the bare minimum required by their job to help, rather than doing the RIGHT thing, helping a fellow human being?  What she wants, and what should happen, is a realization that someone stood there and did BARELY anything while she was violated in one of the most horrible ways possible in a PUBLIC PLACE.  People need to realize the consequences of inaction as much as the consequences of action. 

Sky-Boogy, I would like to see how vindictive you may be on your own behalf and without the coaching of an attorney if you were violated. Unfortunately, some people need to be on the receiving end of these things to understand the horror of it and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

There ARE good samaritan laws that say you cant be sued for helping. That is a WORLD of difference from FORCING people to help! I think some of you have no clue of the implications of what you are asking for. This is not about being sued if you help and something goes wrong, this is about being sued if someone doesn't think YOU did enough to help. It is absolutely pathetic that a woman who got raped would SUE THE PEOPLE WHO CALLED POLICE!

Did transit workers do enough in subway rape case?

Mike of the North

That is a WORLD of difference from FORCING people to help!

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"What type of people are on the streets at 2:00 AM. "

Uh, people like ME, who are working.

People like me - I am in the medical field, when you go to the emergency room in the middle of the night, you expect me (us) to be there to help you! Because of staff shortages, often have to stay over on PM shift & head home in wee hours. Shame on me for being there to care for you at such an unreasonable hour!

Damon Johns

No one deserves to be hurt but we have to be realistic

No one deserves to be hurt

True.

Damon Johns

we have to be realistic

Any suggestions.

Do you agree with the judge's decision?

What is this judjes record? Recent talk on inpeaching judges have prompted me to ask