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He should not let a few dissidents prevent him from honoring an invitation to give the commencement address at Notre Dame!
ABSOLUTELY NOT! THOSE PRIESTS SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES. WHAT YEAR IS THIS ANYWAY!?!?!?!?
Remember that the sins of the Kings of Israel had a direct consequence on their people. Saul, David, Solomon, and many others are examples
How many PRO-DEATH PENALTY speakers have been warmly welcomed at Catholic universities? That policy also goes against church teachings.
Pres. Obama's positions are more in keeping with many Catholics than the pro-life til birth crowd who support unjust war and the death pen.
No, and the priests who are objecting to his invitation are idiots. They are insulting the President of the United States.
Obama should use every avenue to help our nation and the world move forward. None of us should back down to the radical wing of the church
Funny how my fellow catholics didnt have a problem going to war in iraq when Pope John Paul II said NO. 5,000 kids dead there.. thats OK
President Obama shows he respects views contrary to his - a lesson all of us should learn. The radical right just shows its intolerance.
God doesn't vote for President. Americans do. American policy is just that and is not run by religious edict.
President Obama has been nothing less than gracious, so what if a few crazies want to whine?
It is disgraceful that a Catholic University would ask him in the first place, but he should bow out. It would be the right thing to do!!!
I cant see barack going anywhere the crowd wont swoon for him. Why would he go there risking that he might be booed? While on camera.
I would never go where I am not wanted. I can't help but wonder why the ND sanctioned the invite to begin with if it would cause such a mes
he should speak, especially if the University gets federal funds, they should be open to an opposing view
As an alumnus of Notre Dame, I support both the University's invitation and the President's acceptance to speak.
There are many other universities and communities that would be honored and can respect differences. Come to Northern Michigan University!
Did the other sitting presidents who gave the addresses policies all fall right in line with church beliefs? I doubt it.
It's his duty to represent everyone, not just pro-lifers. This isn't about being pro-choice; it's about speaking as our President.
He should politely decline, especially since he has said to the world that we are not a "Christian" nation - nothing to do with tolerance.
Why don't they kick out all the non Catholics? oh wait they want that money. If Obama donated 2 million they would be like please come and speak.
#21 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:11 PM EDTNotre Dame has a history of inviting Presidents to speak at commencement. Most of them had similar views on abortion as President Obama. What is this controversy about? Are the Catholics so focused on one issue, that all other moral standards evade them? Would they like to bring Dubya back? A man who is for the death penalty, killing more people in Texas than any other state; a man who lied about the reasons for going to war in Iraq and by doing so killed 1000s upon 1000s of innocent people, a man who threw out the Constituton and Bill of Rights, to torture and imprision people without due process?? I think the Catholics should look in their own back yard and clean up their acts of violence and abuse against the most vulnerable among them; the children's souls they have violated and murdered. How can they look in the mirror and go out and protest against inviting Obama to speak while they do little to protest and make changes in their own Church?
#22 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:12 PM EDTMany of these 'evils' talked about are not always wrong. The church is against capital punishment and war, but they are not intrinscily evil. Abotion is an intrinsic evil - meaning that it is never right. N E V E R ......
How is capital punishment not intrinsically evil? How is war not intrinsically evil? Who decides that? Only Catholics? How do you know abortion is never right; maybe never right for you but maybe right for an 11 year old who was raped by a priest, maybe, just possibly? How would you know unless you are the 11 year old or the 11 year old's parents?
Thc Catholic Church decides for Catholics. If you do not agree, join another church! And, of course, each person needs to decide these things for themselves, and choose their path. However, Notre Dame is a Catholic University - so our rules apply. .......When your judgment day comes, what will you say to all the aborted?
My judgment day? Is not my judgment day the same as yours? What will any of us say to anyone? We are in this together I think, like it or not.
You failed to answer the question. Your day and mine are not the same, we will not die simultaneously. I will be able to say that I opposed abortion and refused to vote for those who did not work to repeal these laws. You may come face to face with an unborn child that could have been your neighbor, niece, brother, grandchild....... what will you say?
I believe we will not die simultaneously, but we will both have a judgment day that is similar; that is what I believe. I will not come face to face with an aborted fetus any more than I will come face to face with an Iraqui that has been blown to smithereens. Nor will they ask me, "why have you forsaken me?" any more than I may ask them the same question. We have all been forsaken in our own ways. We have this earthen life to prove it and it is up to each of us to make the best from it. The question for me is how have I lived my life? What have I done for others? I do my best to accept the responsibility for being human, that implies weakness, strength, imperfection all around.
I am able to say that I helped support unwanted children through working with the training of foster parents, that I helped sexually abused young girls and their families who suffered from incest and rape find a way out of their horror that they could deal with; adoption, yes, abortion, maybe, keeping the baby, sometimes. I am proud of that, on every count. I can also say that I worked with women who struggled with pregnancies after a spouse was killed, leaving a large family behind with no income; I have stood with many people and helped them reach decisions, all of which were painful. And I think God is smiling on each and every one.
You will say nothing - dead men tell no tales.
I would suggest you look at what comes out of Ireland over the next month or so
might explain the decline of the Church . A President represents the whole of the U.S.
not just the Catholic part . I am a Catholic but I strongly beleive in seperation of Church
and State .
Fred! not true.. ultimately it is your conscience... not what the Church says...But the thing is you might be in for a suprise when you meed yoru maker and turns out you were wrong/ASk any honest priest(look around),, and.or Canon Law scholar...
This has nothing to do with tolerance. It has to do with inviting commencement speakers that promote the values of the institution. Notre Dame is a Catholic School and should invite speakers which promote its Christian/Catholic values, not "pro-choice" abortion advocates who reverse previous bans on government funded abortions. Not only is President Obama "pro choice," he is pro-abortion to the extent that he made the conscious decision to reverse the previous ban on government funded abortion. I don't agree with abortion, and it offends me that President Obama is so pro-abortion that he would expect taxpayers to fund it. Notre Dame had no business inviting such a man to speak at their graduation in the first place!! I am a graduate of two of Notre Dame's sister schools and I am wholeheartedly offended by the school's actions in this regard.
#23 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:15 PM EDTJohn-1019213- wow you are dumb. so you wouldn't let your child go to a school because of the speakers. I guess I wont let my son go to UNC because they had slaves NOT! Its up to your child once they become grown to have have a mind not your mind. Most parents are so over the top no wonder the kids end up screwed up.
#24 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:16 PM EDTunbelievable - these hypocritical catholics - they are against abortion which is fine but let their priests become pedophiles. they are against greed and yet vatican has the most treasures on earth. damn you catholics
#25 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:17 PM EDTAngry Taxpayer-875792- who cares its a free country. and second we don't fund abortion you have to pay to have an abortion. Cry me a river.
#26 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:18 PM EDTDisinvite Obama... There is nothing "carved in stone", anywhere, that says you can't change your mind!
#28 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:25 PM EDTThe offer has been given and it was accepted. Maybe Notre Dame should invite a second speaker who wants to protect innocent life as a balance to the President (Our President) on this issue. I am a Protestant, and like many of my fellow Catholic believers in Christ, I too disagree with our President here. I pray that wisdom and guidance from above will change his mind, but as always, G-D's will be done.
Bolivar Rubiano, Sr. LCDR, USNR (Ret.)
#29 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:25 PM EDTThe offer has been given and it was accepted. Maybe Notre Dame should invite a second speaker who wants to protect innocent life as a balance to the President (Our President) on this issue. I am a Protestant, and like many of my fellow Catholic believers in Christ, I too disagree with our President here. I pray that wisdom and guidance from above will change his mind, but as always, G-D's will be done.
Bolivar Rubiano, Sr. LCDR, USNR (Ret.)
#30 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:27 PM EDTI to am very well versed in my Catholic faith, John.
The Priest who are raising this rediculous subject of banning the President from speaking are, pure and simple, hypocrites...you know that as well as I do.
You need to look in mirror before you speak.
#31 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:29 PM EDTDisinvite Obama... There is nothing "carved in stone", anywhere, that says you can't change your mind!
#32 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:30 PM EDTPerhaps he should send the IRS in his stead and give a speech about the separation of Church and State!
#33 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:33 PM EDTI feel that ND should not have even thought of inviting someone who approves abortion.It seems that ND is luke warm and needs to stand firm.
#34 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:37 PM EDTUsing the "logic" of the self-righteous, psuedo-Christians who are posting on this site that ND should withdraw its invitation to Obama (i.e., that he does not support the "values" of the Catholic Church), then the current pope should, likewise, never be invited to speak at any Catholic institution, since he is the person who is primarily responsible for the coverup of the pedophile priest atrocities, having written memo stating that it was "an internal Church matter" and no one was to speak with anyone outside the Church about it. If that isn't a sin, then WHAT THE HELL IS?!
#35 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:38 PM EDTPrestige and money are waaaay more important to human nature than the "all powerful sky man" bible philosophy or moral arguements. ND would wet itself to have Obama just drive by their campus and wave.
#36 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:38 PM EDTObama is an abomination before God and this nation! It's too bad the election is not being held today. I don't think we would have to be dealing with him and his racist wife on a daily basis. Until we as a nation do right by the unborn and stop the massive slaughter that is done each day, nothing we do is going to be blessed by God.
#37 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:40 PM EDTYou need some help
As a lifelong die hard ND fan (Irish and raised catholic too) I am appalled at the people that are protesting this. He is our President. Deal with it!!!!!!!!!
#38 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:41 PM EDTI used to have more respect for the Catholic Church in general (I'm non-Christian). This politicized trash over one single culture issue has turned me off that religion completely.
#39 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:41 PM EDTAs an institution of higher learning, I would think the priests would understand that it is necessary for the students to understand the position of someone who does not agree with them. If the priests applied Augustinian's test of nationhood to themselves, tolerance and liberty are the fulcrums that keep us in balance and the threads that bring us together. In, "The City of God," Augustine said that a nation should be defined as a "multitude of rational beings in common agreement as to the objects of their love." Are these priests then saying to is better to divide us along ideological lines, rather than bring us together in our greater love for one another and mutual respect for the liberties this country provides us?
#40 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:49 PM EDTHe should decline to speak at Notre Dame to protest the pandemic of sexual abuse of children by Catholic priests.
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I am a Notre Dame grad. So much for this institution being place of higher learning and tolerance.