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Should domestic violence ever be forgiven?

When it comes to abuse - whether it's physical or emotional - does the abuser ever deserve a second chance? Are there circumstances where violence can be forgiven? Can apologies erase bad deeds?

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  • Is it my fault my husband abuses me?
    Abused women often feel guilty, wrongly believing they must have done something to deserve the abuse, says Dr. Gail Saltz. Here, she advises a woman in a domestic violence situation to take her kids, get over her guilt, and get out.
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No. There are no excuses for abuse.
930 votes
7.9%
Yes. Everyone makes mistakes, everyone deserves a second chance.
126 votes
33.9%
Depends on the circumstances.
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No. There are no excuses for abuse.

NEVER. There is NO excuse for abusive behavior

{"commentId":6503630,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"snowdogb77"}
     - 4:43 pm EDT on Wed Apr 15, 2009
    No. There are no excuses for abuse.

    It is best to forgive but never forget. Abusers are highly manipulative & will seize every opportunity for control. They don't change.

    {"commentId":6503669,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"SheilahT"}
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     - 4:44 pm EDT on Wed Apr 15, 2009
    No. There are no excuses for abuse.

    Abusers don't stop abusing EVER. She should leave FOR her children. She's putting them in danger every hour that she stays there.

    {"commentId":6503792,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"ukwriter"}
       - 4:49 pm EDT on Wed Apr 15, 2009
      No. There are no excuses for abuse.

      The abusers don't think they are doing anything wrong. They physically and mentally abuse, make apologies, and then do it over and over.

      {"commentId":6505330,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"chuckietait"}
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       - CCHUCK
       - 5:50 pm EDT on Wed Apr 15, 2009
      No. There are no excuses for abuse.

      It's all about self control. I have been so angry I wanted to kill someone but I have not actually commited homicide.

      {"commentId":6505602,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"mel2877"}
         - mel2877
         - 6:01 pm EDT on Wed Apr 15, 2009
        No. There are no excuses for abuse.

        Forgive if it makes you feel better. BUT. never forget. and never assume forgiving means staying.

        {"commentId":6505907,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"starr-8a"}
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         - 6:14 pm EDT on Wed Apr 15, 2009
        No. There are no excuses for abuse.

        If a person abuses their spouse once, they'll do it again. It's a no-brainer.

        {"commentId":6508902,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"wrong4rite"}
        • 1 vote
         - 8:41 pm EDT on Wed Apr 15, 2009
        No. There are no excuses for abuse.

        Never once heard of a situation where abuse only happens one time.

        {"commentId":6509769,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"bluejeanbaby1975"}
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         - 9:26 pm EDT on Wed Apr 15, 2009
        Depends on the circumstances.

        Some abuse is situational some is habitual, the distinction is important. Forgiveness is the antithesis to rage.

        {"commentId":6513592,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"jjs1"}
           - 1:29 am EDT on Thu Apr 16, 2009
          No. There are no excuses for abuse.

          it has been happening to me for years , yet I stay I have no idea why.I know he is wrong ! it wont stop ever wish I knew why I stay.

          {"commentId":6517652,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"reagensgrandma"}
             - 10:17 am EDT on Thu Apr 16, 2009
            Yes. Everyone makes mistakes, everyone deserves a second chance.

            Forgiven-Yes, but it does not mean you have to forgive and go back with him. The forgiven part is for us to let go and continue a new life!

            {"commentId":6521422,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"nancylzamora"}
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             - NLZP
             - 12:47 pm EDT on Thu Apr 16, 2009
            No. There are no excuses for abuse.

            The only way to forgive abuse is from an enormous distance. NEVER go back to an abuser.

            {"commentId":6523596,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"kmaver"}
               - 2:12 pm EDT on Thu Apr 16, 2009
              No. There are no excuses for abuse.

              heck no! once an abuser, always an abuser!

              {"commentId":6542024,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"sinner"}
                 - 12:32 pm EDT on Fri Apr 17, 2009
                Depends on the circumstances.

                Having been "victim" of alcoholic, corporate lawyer & hit twice, 20 years apart, I say living, knowing it could happen again was hell. G

                {"commentId":6573350,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"jlundvall"}
                   - 4:26 pm EDT on Sun Apr 19, 2009
                  No. There are no excuses for abuse.

                  Women are important and should not be battered by spuoses. No one should be battered by their partner - ever

                  {"commentId":6630817,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"domesticviolenceisurvived"}
                     - lulu589
                     - 11:26 am EDT on Wed Apr 22, 2009
                    No. There are no excuses for abuse.

                    When you are the object of abuse and say it nothing or forgive, you say it is okay to have no value as a person. Stand for something or...

                    {"commentId":6637183,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"susan-soltero"}
                       - 3:08 pm EDT on Wed Apr 22, 2009
                      Depends on the circumstances.

                      Depends on severity of abuse, circumstances (alcohol, etc). I don't support abuse, but is it fare to group all cases of abuse together?

                      {"commentId":6640610,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"ckatzy"}
                         - ckatzy
                         - 5:03 pm EDT on Wed Apr 22, 2009
                        Depends on the circumstances.

                        once is a mistake...twice leave the animal!

                        {"commentId":6786847,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"wendy-gibson100"}
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                         - 3:18 pm EDT on Wed Apr 29, 2009
                        No. There are no excuses for abuse.

                        No, No! What circumstances could change anyone's mind?????

                        {"commentId":6790993,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"jjsbride"}
                           - 4:38 pm EDT on Wed Apr 29, 2009
                          Depends on the circumstances.

                          Yes, it can be forgiven... however... once forgiven, THERE IS NO OBLIGATION TO STAY WITH THE ABUSER. Remember that.

                          {"commentId":6791330,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"kuskus"}
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                           - kuskus
                           - 4:45 pm EDT on Wed Apr 29, 2009
                          Depends on the circumstances.

                          people can change, but the burden of proof is always on the abuser; the boon is entirely up to the abusee.

                          {"commentId":6807537,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"ChristopherL"}
                             - 9:37 am EDT on Thu Apr 30, 2009
                            No. There are no excuses for abuse.

                            In the country we handle things. If a man hits a woman her Dad, uncles or brothers step in & show him how it feels-that puts an end to it!

                            {"commentId":6808441,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"hays-542"}
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                             - 10:18 am EDT on Thu Apr 30, 2009
                            No. There are no excuses for abuse.

                            Are you kidding?

                            {"commentId":6811586,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"basedrum777"}
                               - 12:03 pm EDT on Thu Apr 30, 2009
                              Yes. Everyone makes mistakes, everyone deserves a second chance.

                              Everyone deserves a second chance, but only after undergoing serious counseling & knowing that if it happens again, the partner is gone.

                              {"commentId":6814693,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"thebirds"}
                                 - 2:01 pm EDT on Thu Apr 30, 2009
                                No. There are no excuses for abuse.

                                I don't believe there is any reason for Domestic Abuse, staying with them even after 1st time might get you killed next time.

                                {"commentId":6815017,"threadId":"554899","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"fletch-1"}
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                                 - 2:15 pm EDT on Thu Apr 30, 2009
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                                {"commentId":6503734,"authorDomain":"SheilahT"}

                                If you forgive, forgive silently. Never allow a manipulative abuser to use your forgiveness as a means to seize any control in your life. Forgive but never forget.

                                {"commentId":6503734,"threadId":"554907","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"SheilahT"}
                                  Reply#1 - Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:47 PM EDT
                                  {"commentId":7548672,"authorDomain":"miahs"}

                                  I am a bit shocked at the banter here. How can you say you should be sneaking around and secretly planning to forgive is NOT forgiveness, that is deceit and its very unhealthy for your emotional well being, and it will do nothing good for the relationship.

                                  Abusers can be rehabilitated. Abusive people are not mindless robots who will only follow automated beating schedules when approached with confrontation. Forgiveness can be achieved only when both parties agree that a transgression has occured and new ground rules about the sort of act can be laid down. What started the fight is irrellevant, its what transpired after the situation became heated is whats important to address. Proper analysis of cause and effect should be taken into consideration here not OMG he or she is an animal who will killl you if you dont get out!

                                  If you feel you cant forgive him/her then leave the relationship, dont ask someone for thier opinion, or what they would do. Ask yourself two questions, 1. Can I forgive this person for what they have done to me? 2. Do I trust thier word enough that if they agree they have made a mistake, and say they wont do it again that they will stick by thier word? If the answer is no to either of these then your answer is clear, leave. If you are afraid of the person get the police involved then leave. Move away if you have to, dont let foolish pride put you or your family at risk.

                                  If you can forgive this person and you feel they will stick to thier word all you need to do is lay down the appropriate rules and be forward, assertive and clear that ANY future act of this nature will NOT be tolerated and you will most assuredly terminate the relationship if it does. Look I am not making light of abuse, its a tough situation for anyone to be in and I know its never as simple as it sounds but those are the only logical actions to consider during this kind of situation. Spouting about secret actions and never fully forgiving is not a way to a healthy relationship, try to keep in mind these are people we are dealing with NOT washing machines that are on auto beat mode.

                                  {"commentId":7548672,"threadId":"554907","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"miahs"}
                                    #1.1 - Tue Jun 9, 2009 6:44 PM EDT
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                                    {"commentId":6505540,"authorDomain":"mgmh"}

                                    No form of mental, physical or other abuse of another should be condoned or tolerated.

                                    {"commentId":6505540,"threadId":"554907","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"mgmh"}
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                                    Reply#2 - Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:59 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":6506488,"authorDomain":"burton1202"}

                                    The only thing you need to ask yourself is what would you want your child to do if she/he was in that situation. There is your answer. Put yourself first. You are that important!

                                    {"commentId":6506488,"threadId":"554907","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"burton1202"}
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                                    Reply#3 - Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:39 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":6506698,"authorDomain":"faith2walsh"}

                                    I have been with someone like this and forgave and stayed until our son began exhibiting this behavior with little girls at school. They never change, the only situation you can change is your own. GET OUT!

                                    {"commentId":6506698,"threadId":"554907","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"faith2walsh"}
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                                    Reply#4 - Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:50 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":6507013,"authorDomain":"kerrycorkmd"}

                                    Women that abuse their men mentally should be abused and just accept it because they're being abusive too.

                                    {"commentId":6507013,"threadId":"554907","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"kerrycorkmd"}
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                                    Reply#5 - Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:04 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":6507293,"authorDomain":"SheilahT"}

                                    No one should be abused, male or female. Sometimes abusers pretend to be the victim and use that as an excuse to justify their abuse.

                                    No one deserves to be abused - no one. If you can justify if for one group of people, then you can easily justify it for another group. It is not wise to go there.

                                    {"commentId":6507293,"threadId":"554907","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"SheilahT"}
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                                    #5.1 - Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:18 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":6533305,"authorDomain":"weezilgirlchurch"}

                                    It is never okay to abuse anyone either mentally or physically. For a man to say that it is okay to hit a woman if she verbally abuses him is wrong. He should leave.

                                    {"commentId":6533305,"threadId":"554907","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"weezilgirlchurch"}
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                                    #5.2 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:20 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":6536641,"authorDomain":"kmiller-3"}
                                    Women that abuse their men mentally should be abused and just accept it because they're being abusive too.

                                    I understand that both sexes can be abusive, but statistically speaking, women are the victims here. No one should EVER accept being abused. I can't believe you would even be on this site spouting nonsense like that. As someone who was abused in the past, it doesn't change and you have to do the right thing for your children. LEAVE

                                    {"commentId":6536641,"threadId":"554907","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"kmiller-3"}
                                      #5.3 - Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:43 AM EDT
                                      {"commentId":6807630,"authorDomain":"ChristopherL"}

                                      no, in fact, abuse is abuse; mental, physical, emotional....men and women do it to each other all the time. A bad fight is not abuse, abuse is the habitual degradation of the other's physical and emotional well-being. I don't shout at or strike my wife...and she's shouted and struck me; should I leave her? Of course not....people need to use good sense. Abusive behavior is habitual, not acute.

                                      {"commentId":6807630,"threadId":"554907","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"ChristopherL"}
                                        #5.4 - Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:42 AM EDT
                                        {"commentId":6816296,"authorDomain":"netsiren"}

                                        Well put. I agree whole heartedly.

                                        {"commentId":6816296,"threadId":"554907","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"netsiren"}
                                          #5.5 - Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:07 PM EDT
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                                          {"commentId":6507873,"authorDomain":"kwaltz-2"}

                                          If no abuse is to be forgiven, then what should we do with people like bush that abused a whole country? America has abused much of the world should people forgive us? Some women push their husbands buttons on purpose. Some men only understand violence. Some people change for the better some for the worse. Violence is taught to society through the actions of the leaders. The concept of might makes right transcends marriage or gender. Today in America society we are learning that if you disagree with someone it's OK to kill them. THe murders of the Somolian sailors trying to extract penalties from merchant ships polluting their waters is a prime example. Iraq is another. There is an increase in violence in America associated with the current wars.

                                          We teach our kids not to hit on the play ground. Then we honor soldiers that are trained to kill. Which is it? Can I attack my enemies or not. When is violence OK? What is the difference between hitting a loved one or killing a stranger? How can you hold a person responsible for undeserved violence and not hold the government responsible for illegal wars? Can't a violent man claim he was preventing a future attack. He knew she was going to abuse him emotionally so he staged a preemptive strike.

                                          I'm not for domestic violence. I'm for judging each case individually. I'm for holding officials accountable for their crimes. I feel there are many men in this country that are arrogant self righteous bully's that should be held accountable for their violence. bush being number one. Then we might see some trickle down justice in the world.

                                          Women should be aware of the buttons they push because emotional abuse is actually worse in many cases than physical abuse; whether it comes from a women or a man. If a man is treating his wife like a second class citizen, she should get help and counseling before violence occurs.

                                          {"commentId":6507873,"threadId":"554907","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"kwaltz-2"}
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                                          Reply#6 - Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:48 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":6522241,"authorDomain":"patricia-s25"}

                                          Sounds like you think it's perfectly fine for a Husband to abuse his wife if she has 'PUSHED HIS BUTTONS'. And if a wife is being mistreated by her husband, her husband needs counseling just as much, if not more, that she does.

                                          {"commentId":6522241,"threadId":"554907","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"patricia-s25"}
                                            #6.1 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:16 PM EDT
                                            {"commentId":7544785,"authorDomain":"bobbiknights"}

                                            I have buried two grandchildren and watched the recovery of my remaining grandchild and daughter. If you truly think "emotional" damage is worse than "physical" damage, you have never stood ankle deep in your own child's bloody shower water to wash her hair after she has been shot FOUR times or had a two year old fitted for a prosthetic eye and learn to walk and talk all over again. Emotional damage needs to be dealt with, but please do not compare it to physical. I wish there had been some "emotional" damage we might have recognized; it was his only act of violence, 1st & last.

                                            {"commentId":7544785,"threadId":"554907","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"bobbiknights"}
                                              #6.2 - Tue Jun 9, 2009 2:48 PM EDT
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                                              {"commentId":6510926,"authorDomain":"tom-branham"}

                                              You should have separated after the first time. What you are experiencing is typical of abusers. Protect your children and seek help and protection. If you stay you are just enabling him. I know you love him but it does no good if you or your children are killed.

                                              {"commentId":6510926,"threadId":"554907","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"tom-branham"}
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                                              Reply#7 - Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:27 PM EDT
                                              {"commentId":6512490,"authorDomain":"elwoodsmith"}

                                              My dad severely beat my mother when I was eight or nine. In his case, he did not cry and beg forgiveness. Apparently he just blamed everything on mom and left us behind by the time I turned 11 to marry another woman. I am now a 45 yr. old single mother of a 13 yr. old son. My own son's father left me when I was still pregnant. Not only did my father hate my mother, he also hated me because he abandoned us. Being left alone was a strange blessing during my pregnancy, I realized my son's father would do the same thing and I wasn't gonna give him the chance. I take excellent care of my son and he is the only family I have left. Let's all say a prayer for this woman and her children, she has a long road ahead.

                                              {"commentId":6512490,"threadId":"554907","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"elwoodsmith"}
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                                              Reply#8 - Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:52 PM EDT
                                              {"commentId":6513305,"authorDomain":"usmousie"}

                                              No one can decide for someone else. I believe that a person may be able to learn from his--ONE--mistake. Men are strongly encouraged to be violent in this society. However, if a man is not completely horrified and shocked by what he did-- it should be a life-changing experience-- then he will do it again. Accusing a woman of 'pushing a man's buttons' is putting his action on her, the typical blame the victim. If he has a problem he needs to deal with it, not turn it into violence. Just as we didn't get excused for hitting someone in elementary school because they taunted us, so is it not ok to hit a woman because she fights verbally with you. And believe me, man, you are pushing her buttons too. Anyway it is up to the abused person to decide whether forgiving the first time makes sense, and not up to any of us to judge. As for when a woman stays with her abuser, anyone who has any questions or opinions about that needs to keep silent until s/he has read "It Could Happen To Anyone." I have been judged for a situation I stayed in and I say no one has that right to judge, to say "She should have left the first time." It's not that cut and dried. Thank you for reading.

                                              {"commentId":6513305,"threadId":"554907","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"usmousie"}
                                                Reply#9 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:02 AM EDT
                                                {"commentId":6515857,"authorDomain":"chocberry"}

                                                i think after the first abuse,you should have reported the matter to the authorities and told your husband that you had .i think that would have served as a deterrent.you should forgive him,there are so many things that u have done that he has forgiven you for.as much as u want to think physical abuse is in a class of his own,emotional abuse i.e cutting your man down,humiliating him publicly and privately is also really painful.good luck

                                                {"commentId":6515857,"threadId":"554907","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"chocberry"}
                                                  Reply#10 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:23 AM EDT
                                                  {"commentId":6516364,"authorDomain":"yumadayz"}

                                                  What this issue comes down to is the personal damage that was done. If an abusive offense was committed against your dignity and self respect, then you have been violated and damaged to a degree even you may not be aware of. Do not subject yourself to repeated abuse, although you may forgive the offender because of the fact that he or she may not be mentally and emotionally capable of maintaining a healthy relationship with anyone. Free yourself to find a healthy relationship and have the hope of living a happy life.

                                                  {"commentId":6516364,"threadId":"554907","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"yumadayz"}
                                                    Reply#11 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:01 AM EDT
                                                    {"commentId":6516426,"authorDomain":"sin2563"}

                                                    My former marriage was abusive. I agree with the "silently forgive" comment earlier - I will never give my ex any leverage over me voluntarily. However I voted for "Depends on the Circumstances". While I agree that hitting should be off limits, I know its possible for volatile people to flame over, without the situation being ongoing abuse. I think there is a truly distinct difference between the two. Those volatile people can learn to communicate better and avoid becoming physically confrontational. An abuser does not learn to behave differently, and is incapable of policing his or her behavior. I do not condone violence, but people who can learn should have the opportunity to learn alternate behaviors.

                                                    {"commentId":6516426,"threadId":"554907","contentId":"2688035","authorDomain":"sin2563"}
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                                                    Reply#12 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:05 AM EDT
                                                    {"commentId":6517581,"authorDomain":null}

                                                      Abuse can be forgiven from a distance but not tolerated.  I should talk tho'.   I have put up with a whole bunch of control freaks who are emotional abusers.  I have never been able to prove their abuse in court (you have to be able to prove abuse you know in a court of law).  I realized that the family on the whole was sick, and that I could not rely on any of them to speak up in my defense, nor in defense of my children. 

                                                       I have had to stay in this sorry excuse of a marriage in order to protect my kids.   There have been years where I actually had to stay home from work in order to make sure my kids were not being outrageously abused by my husband or mother in law.   My mother in law finally passed away a few years ago, and we all are beginning to heal from her verbal and emotional abuse....I just hope the nasty old conniving goat didn't fake her death records and is still out there somewhere.   I did attend her funeral to make sure she was really gone.   She terrorized a lot of people, and after declaring for years how she would lie,steal and cheat for her only son, she disinherited him.  Get the picture ?  She controlled my husband the moment she walked in the door....and I would get to see a change in dynamic immediately...both mother and son turned into heckle and jeckle.   That horrible woman chased away my husband's two high school sweethearts, and wreaked havoc on both of his marriages and kids.  And he for his part has a underlying thug behavior that comes out from time to time....and its taken him way too long to get his own thinking straight.

                                                       I cannot reveal anymore info than I have.  But I willl say I will not rail on any abused wife or husband after what I have been through the past 30 odd years.   Some of us abused have to stay in our abusive marriages because 1. our parents and siblings won't let us come home (and they seem to relish that us abused are being abused and humiliated). 2) We abused have been threatened with violence/mayhem if we leave. 3)  We abused, who can't prove the abuse in a court of law, cannot just walk away with or without our kids without being accused of kidnapping or abandonment.

                                                        We abused refuse to leave our children in the hands of emotionally abusive people.  We abused will figure out the best way to adapt day by day, year by year if we cannot find a legal clean break.   And if you think this reasoning is stupid, what the hell do you know if you haven't lived it ?   So where our my high school friends...why haven't they sought me out demanding why I haven't been in touch all these years ?   It is not their fault that they don't know what has been going on all this time, but still I wonder why people don't ask, "what's up ?"   I always get concerned when people drop off the scope, or if something doesn't seem cricket.  I have been able to reconnect with some folks but the networking is all long distance, like now.

                                                       I have been fortunate that my kids and I have been able to reveal the abuse to past counsellors and we have told them why we can't prove the abuse...and they have understood.  I put my kids in schools where morality and standards are important....and my kids are old enough now to tell people they are being abusive and that we are not putting up with it anymore.   There are family members who I really don't interact with anymore because they are verbally abusive and control freaks and by all appearances are incurable (as they won't get help, and are incapable of seeing ahead to consequences).  

                                                      Can you imagine an abuser being so stupid as to not to realize that they are destroying their own families and happiness.   The abusers in my life really don't get to see their grandchildren or great grandchildren.....and it is pathetic and stupid that the abusers don't put family happiness and cohesion first.......nope, abusers are so self-centered and sick, that their only priorty in life is their abusiveness and control-freak behaviors.

                                                      I even have family members get outraged with me because I have gone back to school.  Well if I find healing and liberty and a renewed zest for life attending school that's a good thing....and is nobody's blasted business.

                                                    {"commentId":6517581,"threadId":"554907","contentId":"2688035"}
                                                      Reply#13 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:15 AM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":6528480,"authorDomain":"princess-harry"}

                                                      I don't get your logic. It scares the heck out of me frankly. I would've been married for 28 years this coming Dec. if I'd chosen to stay. I divorced when my four children were 4,5,7, and 8. I think everything you wrote is a sorry excuse to not do what you know you should be doing. I had been emotionally and physically abused for the entire 10 years i was married. I was choked until i passed out at 9 mos of pregnancy, not once but twice, I put up with alot in the hopes things would change. He was always sorry for about 30 days at a time and then went back to the same vile behavior.

                                                      I left one day when I woke up at 350 plus lbs. and having chest pains knowing that if i stayed one day one of the two of us was going to die. I packed up my four kids and left Florida and went to Utah and eventually returned home to St. Louis.

                                                      I had been a stay at home wife for 9 years. I had nothing more than a highschool education. When I moved back to St. Louis I came home with $200.00 in my pocket and I made it.

                                                      You should've gotten out of your situation and put your kids first a long time ago. I truly believe people stay where they have become comfortable. It was scary as hell but i did it and i am a true survivor. My kids have nothing to do with thier father, not from me bad mouthing him but from his own ignorance. I never recieved more than 76.00 in child support for 14 years and I am ok with that too.

                                                      I have gone on with my life, I am happy now, I have four wonderful grandbabies, and a wonderful man in my life. I have two words for anyone in an abusive relationship reading this GET OUT! You are worth so much more than living with abuse.

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                                                        #13.1 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:40 PM EDT
                                                        {"commentId":7654358,"authorDomain":"readinguru"}

                                                        I know exactly where you're coming from. Right now I'm in a transition to finally (I just turned 59 today) having a life of my own. It took some pretty intense counseling to realize just how badly I'd been abused...by my birth family as well as my husband and my now adult children. If that means never seeing them again, that wouldn't bother me at all. The abuse was so bad and the repercussions so intense, my social worker recommended I apply for SSI! I've been diagnosed with extreme depression (you'd never know; I cover very well) and PTSD. I intend for the rest of my life to be joyful and healthful. I have quite a way to go, but I can only go up from here. Good luck to you and to all of us who have to learn to treat ourselves decently and learn to require decent behavior from those closest to us.

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                                                          #13.2 - Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:03 PM EDT
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                                                          {"commentId":6517797,"authorDomain":"mirandas-lair"}

                                                          My first Marriage was abusive. I went to counseling thinking it was all me and decided ending the marriage for the sake of my three sons was the best thing for them because I loved them more than I would ever love my husband. After the divorce, I met a man who thought was the world, eventually we were engaged and the abuse was worst than my first husband. Luckily for me I escaped him by going underground. Through my journey I realized that I was immature and a control freak. Once I could fix these behaviors I would be able to find a man that wasn't abusive and I did. I am currently married to a man I have been with for 9 yrs who has never raised a hand towards me or my children. He is a good father and a good husband, but if I hadn't seen my flaws and worked on them he probably too would have turned out to be abusive. A relationship is a partnership between two people and they each have to give a little for it to work. People need to learn how to communicate more effectively and know when it is the right time (never when you are upset!!!!) to communicate your feelings. It took me a broken back, a cracked sternum, two broken wrists, mutiple contusions on the head, a broken nose and a fractured skull to realize that everyone who blames the abuser as it being their fault entirely is wrong!!! and unless I was ready to make some life changes along with years of therapy, I would never get out of the abusive cycle. People who are in abusive relationships often continue the cycle because they have a deeper problem with in themselves that need to be healed before that person can actually choose a non-abuser for a partner. My advice for the woman is to leave for your children and get some therapy so you never make the same mistake again.

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                                                            Reply#14 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:24 AM EDT
                                                            {"commentId":6518116,"authorDomain":"reagensgrandma"}

                                                            We may forgive never forget the abuser rarely Say's sorry, only blames the person they abuse. Mine has said over the years I force him to hate me to hurt me for he hates me, for I am lazy fat ugly I act's like a dyke his family encourages him by saying the same thing . for I used to speak my mind untilll the abuse physical and mental just became not worth it. My income is only 458, a month were can I live on that , He wont pay alimoney already took our home an dplaced it in brothers name years ago, no court paper will make him pay ! Look how many deadbeat parents are out there. I live in Hell or live in the street . some choice. most of the time the mental abuse is worse then physical, He only blames me, People believe him for he is a smooth talker. If you yourself met him you would swear I am nuts and he is the kindest man in the world. But when your back is turned he will laugh and tell me what an that person is and remind me That I have no one and no place to go for they adore him and think I am crazy. Maybe I am . Maybe one day He will set me free . Only those who live in this Hell know what I am talking about. Leaving is easier said then done. one cannot live in a shelter forever. Being disabled there is no hope for a job to better my income. I an stuck until God Finds Pity on me and takes me home.

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                                                              Reply#15 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:37 AM EDT
                                                              {"commentId":6518844,"authorDomain":"mirandas-lair"}

                                                              Don't think that way...There is always hope!!! When I left my first husband I was six months pregnant with my third son, a three yr old and a two yr old, my house had burnt down from a fire my husband had set...I didn't have a job, insurance or anyone to help me...I turned to battered women's shelters and then eventually ended up at the Lord's Place and they helped me get everything I needed to become independent. It's not an easy road when you choose the right one, but it is worth it! And never give up hope...I have Systemic Lupus and it has taught me to believe in yourself and what is right...no disease will ever stop me from doing what is right or trusting in my inner strength to get me through those tough times...I went from nothing, being sick all the time, battered and left for dead and now I have a beautiful home, three beautiful teenage sons, a fantastic husband all on $9 an hour income and a lot of sweat and tears...Don't give up and never give up hope!!!!

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                                                              #15.1 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:06 AM EDT
                                                              {"commentId":7577349,"authorDomain":"poohcarr"}

                                                              Please dont look at yourself that way.God loves you now and wants to give you that victory here.Yes it is hard but the peace you have surpasses the struggle.God will provide for you if you belive and ask him to .Trust in him now and seek his strength for we do not haveit on our own.Love yourself.Dont let the abuser take that from you.Seek God and know he will give you that strength to walk away.

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                                                                #15.2 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:37 AM EDT
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                                                                {"commentId":6521190,"authorDomain":"kelleymcdaniel"}

                                                                What do you do when a husband who was not previously abusive ends up becoming abusive 17 18 years in to a marriage? I threatened to leave and he put me in a headlock and threw me in to a steel door, 4 bones were broken in my hand from putting them out in front of me to save my head... I had the perfect chance to speak up - tell the Dr tell my family but I didnt I lied to save face..Also because he alternately begged and threatened me not to ...At that point you have planned and saved for retirement, have your home halfway paid for and are looking your 40's in the eye and looking at the prospect of losing every material possession you have worked for all that time. Abuse happens on all economic levels. I can tell you that once it happens the marriage is never the same, you can never feel free again to speak your mind or argue your point or even disagree for fear of pushing him over the edge...plus you love the man and don't understand why he does not respect and treasure you the way he once did...I can tell you that once that happens he has found something that he values more.. probably a younger woman..strange that I worked my ass off our entire marriage and the new younger wife got the fruits of my labor and has never had to work a single day...I did the right thing and left - eventually...I should have right away or had him arrested immediately and stayed in the house somehow.. but I left only after giving it a chance to see if it could be fixed...I gave him everything as the price for my safety and the chance to start over... it was the best decision I ever made but it was not easy...Starting over middle aged is not something I could heartily recommend..I had 5 years of hard work depression and anxiety...but I am now happier than I have ever been in my life and have a husband who treasures me. The fear will always be there though, and the knowledge that I could spend another 20 years of my life and have the same thing happen.. god forbid..All I can say is don't make the same mistake do not lie to save face tell the DR right there and then and although it will break your heart have him arrested so he has to get counseling..do it.. it's the only chance you have and it will save you from everyone blaming YOU for leaving him later because you didn't tell the truth about the abuse when it was happening...

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                                                                Reply#16 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:38 PM EDT
                                                                {"commentId":7118818,"authorDomain":"novemberbug"}

                                                                Reading "Why Does He Do That (Inside the minds of Angry and Controlling Men)" may be helpful. It is not what they feel, everyone feels, but what they think. If you can help change a boy's or young man's thinking patterns, then you may be able to change his behaviour.

                                                                I stayed, hoping he would change. I kept hoping he would see, that he would get the help he needed. He just kept blaming me, the kids, everyone and everything else except saying he was the one and that he was sorry. He never was sorry. I am too afraid now to trust him. It is more important to be trusted than to be loved. Yes, I still love him, but I can only trust he will continue to treat us the same way.

                                                                I learned a long time ago to forgive him, but just because you get run over by a bus doesn't mean you try it again. Forgiving is truly needed to help you heal. But you don't have to put yourself in harms way.

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                                                                  #16.1 - Sat May 16, 2009 1:22 PM EDT
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                                                                  {"commentId":6522174,"authorDomain":"mariemontermarie"}

                                                                  Abusers are like pedophiles...I don't believe they can be "cured." Mu husband went to counseling, anger management, etc., etc., etc., all to no avail. I am 53 and broke, but I finally have my dignity and my freedom from verbal and physical abuse. I would rather live in a cardboard hut that be denigrated every day like I was. I was not a good role model for my daughters. I say "Run for your life!"

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                                                                  Reply#17 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:14 PM EDT
                                                                  {"commentId":6522474,"authorDomain":"mariemontermarie"}

                                                                  Abusers are like pedophiles...I don't believe they can be "cured." Mu husband went to counseling, anger management, etc., etc., etc., all to no avail. I am 53 and broke, but I finally have my dignity and my freedom from verbal and physical abuse. I would rather live in a cardboard hut that be denigrated every day like I was. I was not a good role model for my daughters. I say "Run for your life!"

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                                                                  Reply#18 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:25 PM EDT
                                                                  {"commentId":6522733,"authorDomain":"kristasmith4757"}

                                                                  If an individual physically assaults a stranger, the police are called and charges filed. Yet, there is hesitation to contact the police when the assault is between family members...few of the posted comments mention filing a police report or seeking help through law enforcement. Help is out there...as hard as it is to call the police on someone you love, do it. In my state domestic violence charges are handled by law enforcement and the Courts with a strong hand, including "no contact" orders that are strictly enforced. This gives the victim a chance to safely make decisions about the relationship and their safety.

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                                                                    Reply#19 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:36 PM EDT
                                                                    {"commentId":6522883,"authorDomain":"abarnesa"}

                                                                    I saw the title of this article "Is it my fault my husband abuses me" and all I could think was HELL NO.  The only thing anyone controls is their reaction to other people's actions, never the other person.  Abuse is just a way of trying to change that and it happens to be impossible.  Run for your life. 

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                                                                      Reply#20 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:42 PM EDT
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