It's tiresome when the same person keeps winning in any sport.
I think it should be up to Lance, but there is something to be said for going out on top (I wish Jordan had just stayed retired the second time).
Other things being equal, I would like to see him win due (not necessarily in any particular order) to:
(1)Armstrong's age
(2)his comeback from cancer which of course was prior to his earlier wins
(3)to help indicate the past wins were not tainted by prohibited drugs
(4)and the fact that he is from the United States and a win by him might increase interest in bicycling in the United States even more.
But, even more important than who wins is to hopefully have a fair and exciting race with good sportsmanship and few if any serious injuries.
Sure, why not.
If he does win, it would be pretty strong evidence (in my opinion) that he's on some sort of performance enhancers that just either aren't being tested for or which don't show up on the tests (yet). After all, there are many other talented cyclists out there, younger men, with stamina and strength that is failing in an older athlete like Lance, but he consistently outperforms them all. Something which is increasingly hard to believe as the years go by.
Unless, of course there's something unique about his physiology, in which case if he wins he should probably be kept in a lab and be tested.
I seem to recall that he dose have a unique physiology which makes him well suited to racing.
Could be some mental edge all physical things being equal. He did survive cancer perhaps he races as if it's his last.
He does have a unique physiology. He was tested in a lab and his VO2 capacity is beyond most normal men - in layman's terms it's basically his lung's capacity to use oxygen
It seems to me that the first reply to this particular thread is referring to the specific type of cancer that Lance had giving him the 'unique physiology' for biking. If you're a male, you'll understand. That person is making a pun.... Maybe not in the best of taste, either, IMO....
Check out this link for some insight into Lance Armstrong's "unique physiology".
Hope you find this of interest!
Lance HAS been kept in a lab and tested. There are several genetic and circumstantial factors which have contributed to his domination:
1. Unusually high VO2 capacity - in other words, great lungs.
2. Unusually low levels of lactic acid which allow him to perform harder & longer.
3. Unique body shape/size/BMI partially due to his bout with cancer makes him an ideal body type for the TDF.
Finally, during Lance's seven years of domination, he showed he was willing to work and train harder than anyone else - prior to Lance, nobody had focused exclusively on the TDF, and noone had trained so hard during the off-season. His will to win and capacity to suffer during stages sets him apart psychologically in addition to his physical prowess.
Too many folks simply think that because someone is 'great' at something, they have to be on some type of drugs. While the physical side of the requirement to win the Tour is high, the mental edge is what pushes the truly great over the top.
And I wish that people would quit trying to compare Armstrong, Jordan and other multilple time winners to Bret Favre. Farve won 'one time' and one time only. Not a great, but certainly very good.
That person is making a pun...
Nope. Not a pun. And not about that at all - rather his lung capacity and whatnot, as has been widely reported.
LOL he does not have a unique physiology........he is no superman.....every athlete that was thought to be has been chemically enchanced....he is no exception.....just good at cheating.......where there is smoke there is fire.....several people who he used to be around have all said he has used drugs. his trainer was in trouble for giving drugs to people he trained
In elite athletes stamina doesn't fall off with age that much, just look at marathon runners. A few elites in their 20's, and then many in their 30's. And that's running, certainly on a bike with the reduced joint stresses a man in his 30's could still dominate and not necessarily have to be on some sneaky drugs to do it. Though, now that I think about it, did he get radiation therapy as part of his cancer treatments? Radiation has been known to cause super abilities. Perhaps a hyena (huge stamina) was in the room when the radiation treatments occurred, making Lance super human.
Can the French test for super powers?
Greatness!!!
I want Lance to win!! I want Levi to win!! I want Cav to take all the sprints!! 2009 is the best Tour ever!!
I feel bad for Contador though. He seems like a good guy and would have won his 2nd Tour last year if ASO hadn't had a bug up their backside regarding Astana. Everyone knows he would have won. Now he gets his chance and he has to deal with the Lance factor, which makes great drama for us cycling fans, but Contador's in a no win situation and has to watch his comments very carefully.
If you think this years Tour is good wait unti 2010 when Contador is on a new team and Lance is back again fighting for another Tour win with his Bruyneel led Livestrong Team.
Vive Le Tour!!!
Contador doesn't seem so much like a "good guy" anymore. That was a bush league, selfish move, just to make a point that didn't need to be made. I felt a little bad for him that he had to compete with Lance, but now I've changed my mind. I hope his teammates teach him a collective lesson, and I hope Lance beats him soundly.
Lance did not appear to be thinking of his teammates when he moved up to the front of the peleton on Stage 3 before the split occurred. If Lance was concerned about the wind and the possibility of a split in the peleton and he was thinking about his team, why didn't he advise or tip off Levi, Andreas or Alberto? Instead, Lance moved up with two helpers but without his three GC contending teammates, who were all ahead of him on the GC.
More telling, once in the Break, Lance had his teammates drive the Break to create more time and distance between him and his three Astana teammates. Maybe Lance's move and work in the Break helped Astana in the overall planning for the GC, but I can't believe that Lance was thinking primarily of his team or Alberto, Levi or Andreas when he was asking his domestiques to drive the Break on Stage 3.
On Stage 3, Lance thought primarily of himself and his own GC hopes. He leapfrogged over Andreas, Levi and Alberto in the GC standings. And that's okay. Alberto, Levi and Andreas could not expect Lance to sacrifice his GC hopes to assist them at that stage of the Tour.
On Stage 7, Alberto thought primarily of himself and his GC hopes. He got to show everyone (teammates and all other GC contenders) how strong he is in the mountains. Alberto's unscripted surge did not hurt Astana's overall GC strategy. Alberto simply leapfrogged over Lance in the GC standings. And that's okay, also.
Lance cannot expect Alberto or Levi or Andreas, all of them tremendous cyclists in their own right, to sacrifice their own GC hopes to assist Lance at this stage of the Tour while all of them are very close together in the GC.
When the Tour reaches the Alps, it will be much clearer who is the strongest Astana cyclist and then it may be much fairer to expect some of the other Astana GC contenders to sacrifice their own ambitions and protect and assist the strongest Astana rider win the GC.
It certainly has been exciting to watch. The strongest rider will win.
First off, I'm not a fan - He is an incredible story, but I am skeptical.
However, Stage 3 was classic stage racing philosophy at work. He was near the front because he knew the wind would be coming off the Med and would cause echelons, which typically result in huge gaps. He was in the right place at the right time. He and his teammates pulled because all of the GC favorites were in the second group -- the Schlecks, Evans, Sastre, Garmin-Slipstream -- and it shows his experience in racing the Tour. He's an arrogant prick, but it was a brilliant move on his part.
I'm not a fan of Armstrong. There are more races than just the Tour de France, and he pretty much ignores all of those, so, to me, he's not the greatest cyclist ever. I think Indurain was great (and a better all around cyclist). And I'll always love Lamond! I've read so many negative things about Armstrong, that I can't really root for him. I give him his propers for being a great cyclist. He's ten years or so older than Contador and most of the other riders, but he's in second place. He's phenomenal, I just don't root for him to win.
You just contradicted yourself, Indurain focused on the Tour and not much anything else either. Before you make a statement like that, do some research 1st. Indurain was a classy guy and worked hard as a Domestique prior to winning the tour. Contador is a different breed of selfish Spaniard, go Lance!
....Indurain focused on the Tour and not much, Giro 92 93 94 TDF 91 92 93 94 95 do some research.
I am required to wish for a Lance Armstrong win, or else I'll be escorted out of Austin in a most unfriendly way.
LiveStrong Lance...WIN! Heading to Austin to your bike store.
He is a self-admitted cheater, and I would love to see him flame out. Bye Lance!!
I'm with you.
Yes, I want Lance to win. What a great story!!!
Enuff already. Let the young guys get in there. Plus Lance has never been an "exciting" winner. He does it so ever consistently and dominating. I want a drug-free Landis.
Clearly, you have never been a competitor in any sport... You compete to win, or don't compete.
I hope Lance will prove the French wrong again... Go Lance, show them who's the best!
I hope Lance will prove the French wrong again... Go Lance for your 8th win!
I hope Lance will prove the French wrong again... Go Lance for your 8th win!
GIVE the younger guys a chance? LET the younger guys win? Whay not MAKE the younger guys win by beating him? When they win by outperforming Lance, then they will get their due respects.
GO LANCE!
no he shouldnt win, he's a nutsack..........or should i say a nut-less sack. he a freakin' crybaby thats trying to blame his teammates for his declining performance. he's like the rusty wallace of bicycle racing.
He sure is a sore loser. Would do anything to win...would he not?
According to what I've read, Lance told Levi he'd help him win the Tour of California if he'd help him win the Tour de France and Levi agreed. So I don't think we'll see Levi go for the yellow. I want Lance to win more than anything just because he's great, he's older, he's American, and to shut up the naysayers and Contador. I heard Contador isn't riding for Astana next year which is fine with me. Go Lance Go!!!!!!!
The team captain made the right decision..lance is old, probably on steroids, whiney, and just plain not my cup of tea.. would like to see fresh new faces.. Message to Lance, your over the hill (chuckle), your ego is too big, go sit on a mountain, reflect on your wins, and i give up the drugs! I have heard many times, he is not the best to deal with.
Old? Probably? Cup of tea? Erm. Ok. I'm convinced.
Chasing, don't doubt Sandi Sandi, sounds like he/she has an inside contact to have "heard many times, he is not the best to deal with." Or maybe it is just the "cup of tea" thing. Personally I don't dig tea all the that much in the first place. Then again I've never thought of Lance as tea before. I like that Lance is referred to as "over the hill (chuckle)" because he's in 2nd place in the Tour de France. Yup, Lance, message to you--you suck and are finished with bike racing if you don't win the Tour de France. Certainly coming off a 3.5 year gap to finish in the top 10 of a premier cycling event would be a total failure...
Haters (chuckle.)
IF the younger guys can beat him, then they deserve to be the winners. As long as he can win, he should win. Drugs? HA! Do you honestly believe that the French would leave one cell in Armstrong's body unchecked? Please. He is the greatest cyclist of all times. He will quit when he is good and ready. And he is not ready.
Your enthusiasm over the LANCE comeback is leading you into rash statements. He's a great cyclist, no doubt, but Belgium's Eddy Merckx, who won virtually everything in sight from 1968 through 1976, is almost universally regarded as the greatest cyclist ever.
Shut up with Eddy Merckx already, no one has bear Armstrong in the seven conseccutive tour that he won, no one, not one, not Merckx, not Hinault, not Indurain. Have you asked yourself with all the scrutiny, maybe Indurain was doping? Give me a break please. Lance is so far the greatest Tour rider of all time, and Tour win is the most sought after than any other race by far. Go Lance!!!
Contador has awakened the sleeping giant. I don't think he knows what he has done. Lance will take over shortly and blow away the rest of the tour. He appears to be in amazing shape and certainly knows what it takes to win it in a number of different ways. Contador may end up driving off the road somewhere and not even finishing the tour.
Interesting fantasy, but unlikely. Contador has won the last three grand tours he started (the Tour de France in 2007 and the Giro d'Italia and Vuelta a Espana in 2008). Armstrong may have a slight tactical edge, but Contador is the best time trialler in the Tour next to Cancellara, who isn't a contender for the overall win, and easily the best climber on the planet. Nonetheless, Armstrong's will to win may prevail despite Contador's disadvantages.
Seeing Contador just take off at the end of that last hill climb does seem to indicate he's got the goods to take it all. Tricky thing is whether or not Lance can press the issue and still be a team player. Just like the others on the team, sometimes you're just going to end up in a support position. MY fantasy is for him to hammer out there, push the hell out of Contador, but have Contador win and have both of them minutes faster than the competition.
F*** the Spaniard, Lance Armstrong will teach the immature Spaniard a lesson, get ready. Go Lance!!
The slap in the face was done to Cantador by Johan. Cantador earned the right to be the team leader by winning 3 Grand Tours in less than 2 years. It is interesting that when lance was winning his TDF's you only heard that there can only be one leader for a team to win. Now, since Johans golden boy decided to return there are up to 4 possible leaders? Don't bad mouth Cantodor. He was forced into this. I have always been a Lance supporter and fan but anyone who did not see this situation coming must think that cycing only revolves around Lance!
I'm rather surprised you guys don't know that 35 isn't over the hill in very many sports and certainly not in any which don't require lightening reactions. Stamina, physical and mental, are maximized in that age range. With the close attention Armstrong is getting, doping is out of the question for him. As for Contador, he's a bit of a prima donna anyway, but if he can beat Armstrong, so be it. BUT, it's a team effort and whoever the coach says will win, will win. So...ultimately, we will never know if Armstrong could have beaten Contador, will we?
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Perhaps shut his crittcs up for good I hope.