Un4tun8ly I'm falling in love with a married man & feel so sick abt it! I don't know how I got here!
Check out http://www.sleepingcousins.com/is-it-right-to-date-a-married-man/ for my reasoning.
If there is an undeniable connection, then have enough respect for the person you married to LEAVE them before you indulge the temptation to be with the other person. At the very least, you have been honest and have refrained from the utter humiliation one feels when betrayed by the person they trust most. If you are so convinced someone who is already married would make a great life partner, make them prove it by leaving their current partner in an honest and respectful manner.
Those who ever think this is right are either making an excuse for themself or in denial. It is never right to do this sort of thing unilaterally. Marriage is a partnership that demands trust. My father wandered in and out relationships while married - he was continually looking to "upgrade." Even today at 86 his eye wanders only staying with the current wife for fear of being alone. Remember what you buy in 2010 is old hat in 2013 and the wanderer is shopping for new. As a businessman I would not trust anyone stepping out on their wife/husband - they can do the same to me in business - no matter what the contract.
Listen hon, if this "true love" of yours is conceptually okay with the idea of cheating on his wife with someone, what on earth makes you think that once you're married to him, that when things get rough (as all marriages eventually do), you won't be the wife waiting at home while he screws someone else and sets up another fantasy? He who lives by the sword and all that...
Look. He's not really in love with you. He's in love with an imaginary relationship, one that doesn't have kids, the trash, headaches, impotence, bills, and the myriad of problems that comes with any committed relationship. He doesn't live with you, and so you are a fairy tale for him. An illusion of how relationships *should* be as he sees it. Rest assured, if he ever left his wife (generally not likely), before too long you'd complain about him leaving the seat up, you'd get tired of sexing him constantly, he'd not like how you cook, or the personal issues in your life, or whatever, and he'd start looking for that fairy tale again, because he's already tasted it and feels like it exists. It doesn't.
Of course, I'm a man, so automatically I should be discounted as not knowing what I'm talking about. When "loooooooove" is at stake, anything goes!!!
If he is likely to cheat on his wife now, what will stop him from cheating on you? If divorce was long time coming for them then it's a different story, but if not... It's not ok to date a married man.
The so called "connection" people feel is a bunch of garbage. People are letting their physical desires, lust, overwhelm their actual love, which is not a warm fuzzy feeling people commonly believe you get. Actual love or a true "connection is when you look at someone and you realize that you'd never ask them or make them do anything that would compromise there core values. Which is unfortunate but that's exactly what he has done and she fell for.
The fact this question is even asked shows the state of our country and how our society views the intimate vows exchanged between two people when they commit themselves in marriage. No wonder why the divorce rate in this country is 50%!!! It's pathetic. I was dating my no ex-wife for six years before we got married then 3 years into our marriage she had an affair with her boss who was also married but no kids. Before the affair we had a son and this experience has been one of the most stressful experiences I've ever been through. The breakup of a family and losing 50% of my son the rest of my life is a hard pill to swallow. I suggest to anyone thinking that dating a married person is "OK" take a close look at themselves in the mirror and understand who they are, why they are so selfish and what's motivating them to pursue the damage it will cause to many people. We are fortunate to be good co-parents but her dishonesty, betrayal and her selfishnish will take time for me to heal from. Sadly, she isn't the person I have spent so much time with and thought I knew and I will never look at her the same again. All I can do is be the best dad I can to my son, raise him to have integrity, honesty a strong faith and to only trust that my ex-wife will not bring someone into her life and my son's life who lacks these traits becuase only more damage will occur. So to answer the question, no it's not right to date a married person. Have the courage to stand up, fix the problems or end the marriage and divorce if you're too tempted to maintain an ongoing affair.
Christian,
Well said, and you are awesome for being the bigger person. I waited to marry my boyfriend until I was sure I would be willing to sacrifice everything for him. I was honest with my previous boyfriend and told him I didn't think that I could. I have found that for all my human failings, my honesty has kept me out of serious trouble. Right now, me and my husband are going through a rough patch but we always tell each other that no matter what we love one another. That is how a marriage should be, two people who struggle to support one another in each other's life's work and always be honest. I hope that you find a partner who has the same vision that you do.
I'm sorry that this happened to you. It happened to me also, Its been almost ten years and I am only now starting to recover. The guy in the story wants his cake and eat it too. Alot of people today only care about themselves. They don't care how much it hurts others. Its a sad fact. I don't trust men anymore. I prefer to remain single and celibate. I have found peace. I hope you do too.
I so agree with EVERYTHING you have said. I mean, is she that blind about whats right and wrong? I tell you, the world is selfish and only out for themselves. Where are the morals and values!
It is always wrong, Always. Can anyone think there could be a future from such a relationship--Really, What in the world would make anyone think that they are so special that the Man or Woman involved would not in turn cheat on them as well. Any person of value who was involved in a poor marriage would end such a relationship Before looking elsewhere.You say that life is more complicated than that?--Wrong again.
Poor character will not improve by someone special, wishful thinking or everyone makes mistakes thinking. Harsh, True--but truthful
One thing this author doesn't say is how she's going to feel when she is the wife and he moves on to another young woman (when the author is in her 40's) because he's decided that he is bored with said kids! JUST DESSERTS!
We alow, and find perfectly acceptable, our spouses to have old good friends, to have strong, powerful spiritual bonds with other people, in other words our society finds normal and acceptable to share our spirit and mind with someone else than our spouses, but when it is about physicality, when it is about sex and having a sexual bond with someone who is not your spouse, we all suddenly shudder in disgust (or hipocrisy!?) and burn the sinner at the stake....What lasts longer, I wonder, what makes a relationship genuine ? I have been married for some years and I dearly love my husband and still ....would I leave him if he slept with another woman? Certainly not! Would I rather have him longing for her, whispering her name in his sleep and alienating himself? Certainly not! It is sex after all, people ...a very pleasurable sport ...enjoy it and keep your spirits free, do not allow your life to be led by a bit of progesterone and excessive spermatogenesis ... smile and cherish your body as you cherish your spirit ...that will make him/her want you today and always :)
I'm not sure what you're saying clarisse. Are you saying it's ok for your spouse to cheat on you? I'm trying to get if you're trying to say it's better to have a spiritual, deep bond than a sexual bond. I would understand that. It is true a relationship based on spiritual and mental connection is better, but when you marry someone you make a commitment to them. Are you trying to say sex is just sex and if a spouse cheats it's not violating that commitment?
She's saying, yes, a physical relationship is no where near an emotional relationship.
Would you rather he was lusting after another woman because he was his brain in his pants, but he still truly loves you?
Or would you rather he still has sex with you but is thinking about another woman? Interested in who she is and how she spends her life? I would hate this much more, however. If we hadn't talked about the relationship beforehand and he had sex with someone and hid it, and didn't tell me, that's worse than just saying it. Sex is sex, I don't think it's a big deal. Hiding it does damage. Also, when an affair gets to the point where it's gone on for a long time, that is definitely different than just having sex.
This being said, I would still probably hate being cheated on no matter how it was.
I agree with pdclinton, there is no future with a person who cheats on his or her spouse. If you get involved with someone who is married there is nothing good that can come of this relationship. For one, that person has already shown you that he or she is capable of being dishonest and unfaithful. What do you think that your relationship with that person is going to be like. Do you honestly believe that they won't do the same thing to you. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! If that person really wanted to be with you then they would of DIVORCED their spouse in a heart beat. I just think it's sad that married people now a days refuse to put in the hard work to make their marriage work. I have been married for some time now and know that it is definitely NOT a walk in the park. As for the person who is thinking of getting envolved with a married man or woman...good luck because you heading into a train wreck.
I guess I will never understand why men find it so difficult being committed to just ONE woman! Granted there are lots of pretty women out there, just like there are lots good looking men.
Quite honestly, I believe its something our Society INVENTED, and says its OK ... FOR MEN that is; let a woman cheat on her man, then she becomes a slut, and she's not to be forgiven! This infidelity had been going on since the beginning of time, if what's portrayed in our movies & past history books suggest, and it looks like its here to stay!
Why some women stay married, more than likely, she doesn't care, and HAPPY her man has someone for the sex; or for financial security. We're living in strange times, and I must be from outer space because I could NEVER tolerate such an arrangement!
For women to ACCEPT sloppy 2nd's is just amazing, then they wonder why some men think so little of other women, believing, WE'RE ALL ALIKE! It's gotten so bad that now we are aware that older women are having sex with younger men, the young men are acting like the older men, and APPROACHING older women, and most of these young men could be my SONS; I find it VERY uncomfortable, offensive, and NOT AT ALL FLATTERING!
Most older men NEVER GROW UP, who wants to interact with a younger version, KNOWING this fact!
Women need to STOP being so DESPERATE, HARD-UP and NEEDY! These type of women are giving decent women a bad wrap!
Indeed. If you take a look on any advice website, there are for more examples for "How to keep/please/whatever your man" than "How to do something nice for your wife". Which makes me come to this conclusion: Men are being treated like kings because we don't want them to run away. But why shouldn't they run away, when every other woman is going to treat them like a king? It's so easy for a man to just get what he wants because women are offering it. If we didn't offer it so easily... I, personally, think things would change.
I am not the sort of woman that would not resort to violence against all parties involved. And I know a lot of women who feel the same way. Disrespect will only go so far and then someone will be getting their butt kicked up and down main street. Be warned. If it's MY HUSBAND...THOU SHALL BE GETTING THOU AZZ KICKED. And then? You can have him. But he will be a WHOLE.LOT.POORER. Cuz I'm calling in the big guns. I am NOT changing my lifestyle because he lost his dang mind. That is all.
That is all.
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CreoleInDC you are hilarious and right on!!
Part of growing up is realizing that you're not special. The same rules applied to other people apply to you too:
1) Someone who cheats WITH you, will eventually cheat ON you. No exceptions. You are not special.
2)If you want a faithful spouse, you better not let another person to be unfaithful to his/her spouse, with you. You're not special.
3)A liar is a liar is a liar. Who told you it's his wife's fault? Him? And you take him at his word because......? He's lying to you too. You're not special.
4)A person who blames other people for his behavior will eventually blame you for it. You're not special.
5)No-one is 'helpless' in the face of anyone else's charm. You CHOSE to engage in behavior you know is wrong. You're not special.
6)Everyone gets tempted, sooner or later. An adult deals with the temptation and keeps his/her wedding vows. A selfish jerk breaks them, or else break's someone else's. You're not special.
7)No-one promises fidelity because it's always easy, one promises fidelity knowing that it will, sometimes, be difficult. One does not promise to continue to breathe. If a person does not make the effort to rise above that temptation that person will lack self control in other areas as well. That goes for the two of you. You're not special.
8)Cheating is a coward's solution. An adult faces his/her problems and works on them, or accepts the fact that the solution is to end the marriage, however 'difficult', 'expensive' or inconvenient it may be. Cheating is nothing more than a way to avoid dealing with the difficult issues of adulthood.
9)Sure everything is great and the sex is fabulous. You have no other commitments to interfere. The thing is, sooner or later, you have to get out of bed.
Let's be clear on one thing...."Open Marriage" is code for: What she doesn't know won't hurt her!. I think that cheating within a marriage is more common then anyone would like to think. It used to be that it was looked down on in society, now it's as common place as a ham and cheese sandwich; when preachers and government officials are no longer held to task over such indiscretions the average person will have no qualms either. Young women that are involved with married men fail to realize that they are a disposable commodity. All they are doing is helping alive the wife of what is perceived of as "The wifely duty", the husbands have no intention of leaving the wife or family. The old adage that it's cheaper to keep her is true, what the girlfriend also fails to realize is that they are not getting the prize that they think they are. They are getting the booby prize; sure they are getting the trinkets and trips but should he actually leave his wife for her, she will be on the receiving end of what his former wife endured. She will then have to take consulation in the fact that what goes around comes around.
Wow, author is such a hoe. Nothin' else to say about her, no matter how she tries to sugar coat it.
Are you sure the wife knows they have an 'open' marriage?
I knew a couple that had an open marriage. Neither one started anything with another person until the other spouse met with them. The initial meeting they said was usually awkward but they verified it was an open marriage and that they expect condoms to be used at all times and that was the last they were going to talk about it if they wish. If the prospective new fling refused to meet with the spouse.. at least once- then it was a no go. That way the other person knew where they all stood. (Also if the married person refuses for you to talk to the spouse to verify then more likely it's an affair). It's probably really uncomfortable but it's the only way you know for sure.
BTW ....I don't call an open marriage cheating because of the knowledge and agreement between the married couple but I don't believe it's really healthy and good (in fact I do tend to think it's wrong) for the relationship. Marriages do dissolve and have problems, a 3rd or 4th person involved just muddles things and on top of that emotions do come into play eventually and can cause even more problems in the marriage.
I agree with Hemlock-783269. When "open marriage" was mentioned, I immediately wondered if the wife knew she was involved in an open marriage, especially since it was agreed (?) if there was an affair, it would not be mentioned, discussed, it would be kept a secret from the other spouse.
It is never right to date or sleep with someone involved in a committed relationship, even if they say they have an "open relationship". If the person in the open relationship does not want you to meet their partner, they are not in an open relationship, you are with a cheater and aiding and abetting them in breaking their commitment.
The article is just the author's attempt to justify her unethical behavior, behavior she admits is wrong and goes against her own moral code, behavior that alternately makes her hate and love her supposed soulmate. The author and her boyfriend are immature and addicted to drama and passion, equating lust and longing with a deep and irrestible connection. This is real life, not a fantasy vampire flick.
If the connection is so deep and their love fated, why has the boyfriend not left his wife, why is the girlfriend not standing up for herself, demanding an honest, open relationship from her soulmate? Because they both know, their relationship is built on the intrigue and thrill of sneaking around, that if there was no danger of getting caught, they would not last two weeks, spending every night together, doing the mundane and ordinary things couples not cheating on someone do. Their relationship is a lie, built on lies and deceit and will ultimately cause pain and heartbreak to the author, the wife and possibly, if the gods are kind, the cheating, lying husband.
I met a great girl at a friends wedding recently. Her sister was getting married and she was the maid of honor...funny. We hit it off, she explained she was the mistress with a married guy. I tried not to be judgemental, but she was off my list of potential mates right off the bat for her infidelities. Although she was hot and the perfect age for me, (I'm 41, she's 29) I want to start a family, (women my age have baggage,) but she's out of consideration for me. Too bad, I'm godfather to her nephew and a good friend of the family. She has decided to go down a path I cannot and will not follow. Another one bites the dust
I'm curious. What kind of baggage do 41 YO women have?
incredulous-790190 I detest how at a certain point women are viewed to have 'baggage'. I'm a twenty year old and if the older women in my life are any example. Growing old doesn't mean your grew boring, or irritable. If anything thing matured women seem more comfortable to be around, because they know who they are, in comparison to girls my age whom you'd have nothing in common with.
By the way incredulous-790190 Those few women I do know that have 'baggage' had all been betrayed/ cheated by thier mates.
baggage. hilarious. i wish i could change my user name to 'proud of my baggage'
Oh honey, run. Just RUN. I dated/slept with/loved/lived with a fully married man for almost 5 years. He pursued me - he wasn't on my radar screen at all. Even if he had been my type at first, he was very married. I even met his wife right off the bat.
It most definitely will NOT be roses and puppies if you end up with this guy in the end. Why? He's a philanderer. He pursued you upon first meeting you - impetuously, stupidly, and without respect for his wife. I can tell you this - after 5 years with a guy who everyone thought was the NICEST GUY imaginable - he's pumping you full of lies. The "open" marriage? Probably only on his end. The "miserable" marriage? Not miserable enough for him to leave his wife. The burning desire for kids on his part? She probably wants them, too, but he's been holding off... or maybe he/she is infertile.
I held on for nearly five years. Through thousands and thousands of emails, promises made and continually broken, a child I didn't know at all (his) getting older year by year. If his marriage was so miserable, why didn't he leave? A zillion excuses. If he wanted me to meet his family, why hadn't I after 5 years? A million more.
In the end, what you'll end up with is either (1) your life without this man, which will be enormously freeing - you can finally have the full-on love relationship that you deserve (trust me!), or (2) this man, who is an untrustworthy snake and will cheat on you as sure as the sun rises in the morning.
I fully, FULLY regret not telling the ass**** I was with to stick it the first time he contacted me via email. I regret not telling him he was a scumbag and forwarding the email to his wife. Then again, she was his mistress during his FIRST marriage; I was his mistress during his second. But what I regret most is that I tortured myself, lost friends, money, jobs, happiness, sleep, and all self-confidence for FIVE YEARS. Five minutes is too long to be with a man who doesn't treat you - or his wife - with love and respect.
RUN.
I would add that I also moved twice for this person, bought a house so we could live in it and raise children together (ha), went to therapy for nearly 2 years with him (and 4+ because of him). Am I ashamed of what I did, and sorry for it? Absolutely, yes. Am I a stupid "hoe" (I think the abbreviation you're looking for is "ho")? No.
From our first email exchange, I said Iwas not interested in ANY relationship with a married man. The first promise was that he'd be separated and filing for divorce within a month. Then a month turned into 6. Then it was "before we live together." Then....
I understand this woman's attraction to the guy. Being pursued - emotionally and physically - by someone you find attractive is extremely powerful, especially when you're lonely, sad, or have other voids in your life. This man is a predator, as was the guy I was with. He was also a borderline sociopath who truly saw nothing inherently wrong with cheating, since he wasn't fulfilled at home. I was his second (known) mistress - something I found out only after we'd been seeing each other for a while.
Anyway, I wasted SO much time trying to make this work. It can't work. The jackass is married. He's not committed to you, he won't commit to you, and even if he does, you really won't want him. Do you want a lifetime of looking over your shoulder for the next hotter woman who he's shagging? Do you want to start a life with someone you can't trust?
omg - your story is MY story except i'm only at 4 years. what is WRONG with me??? i believe everything he tells me... but just like you said, if he's SO miserable why won't he leave??
Married sex is the best! You KNOW that person is committed to you, is the father of your child, when you are alone, it's only you two, not all his or your current lovers, more than one in an emotional bed is crowded. A committed relationship is holy, binding, and sexy. I love my husband and I love that I know he'd never cheat on me with someone who lacks moral values. I love everythign that we've been through together and how much more we'll face together in the future, now that is sexy!
I believe that the woman-let's call her Gale-in this article has a couple of issues to sort out or questions to ask herself:
1. Does Gale actually believe it when a man that she is having a CONTINUING (NOT a one night stand) adulterous affair with says he is telling the truth-ANY truth?? Remember Bill Clinton and his televised "I did not have sex with that woman..." statement? The only people that believed him were the people that needed or wanted to. Gale, obviously you want to believe "Jerome", but do you NEED to? Got any idea how many good, honorable men that are out there looking for a smart, educated, sexual woman to have a good relationship with that could actually bloom and mature?
2. How many other women do you think has Jerome had in the past-while married-BEFORE you?
3. How many "one nighters" has Jerome had while he has been "DOING" you? None? HOW DO YOU KNOW?
Gale, the basis of your relationship is one of dishonesty. I'm trying to make my points on a PRACTICAL basis. I had once fallen in love with a married woman that I was sure was divorcing her husband, and for a lot of good reasons. The bottom line was that she decided to stay with him, and it broke my heart. We only have a limited supply of that Hope and Promise in our hearts, and I believe that you are wasting so much of your portion of that on a man that you know will never honor the vows that he makes. Beautiful, please protect yourself from that.
Wow, I guess I am in the minority here. I am the other woman and have been for almost 27 years. I can't imagine life with out my soulmate. Would I marry him if he left his family? No. I am married and have no intention of leaving my husband. I met my soulmate when I was 18 and went after him knowing he was married. It was just supposed to be a fun fling, but turned into something much deeper. We can't quit each other, it's like 2 magnets drawn together, a force unbreakable. Neither of us expected to fall for the other. We know things about each other our spouses never will, there are no secrets between us. It is comforting to be able to be ourselves with each other instead of trying to be something we're not. I just found him again after a few years of losing touch and the meeting was complete fireworks! Just like old times. I know he has had others and so have I. But what we have is so deep and spiritual it's uncanny. I do not have a problem sharing him, even if he wants a fling with someone else. I know who has his heart, me. I know who he always comes back to, me. No other man has ever made me feel this way and never will. There is no substitute for your soulmate.
You are a sick pathetic woman. "there's been many over the years" "he's my soulmate", whatever. You are just addicted to sex without commitment, it's fun and a fling. Marriage is a commitment, but you deserve to be committed. People like you are the reason for the downfall of the morals of our society and should be made to wear a big sign on your back that says "I am a cheater and a whore"
You need help. If he's your soulmate and you his, why would you not leave your spouses and be together instead of being dishonest to your current and legal partners? Your disrespect to the people you married is sickening. You have no justification for this, none.
If your husband knows about your "soulmate," notaprude, then maybe we shouldn't judge you harshly. But I am guessing that whenever he asks if you are sleeping with soulmate man, you deny it. You are trying to romanticize this relationship, just like the stupid girl who wrote this book. As far as borrowed husbands go, you are NOT in the minority. You think it is a special, wonderful, once in a lifetime connection, that you can never have with anyone else. In short, you (and the 23 year old mistress) are deluded.
Ya, good luck with that lady.. may the best woman (oops I meant child) win.
My first husband was a philanderer & he nearly killed a community with STD's! Your soulmate is a floozie & it is a sad state of affairs when two married people stay in a "name-only" marriage while deceiving children, parents & spouses alike! My bet is that he found out that you wanted children & played on your sympathies right there & is talking to his buddies about the little sleaze he is doing up whenever he has the chance. Once a cheetah always a cheetah! Give your head a shake & smell the coffee burning. You're going to end up broke, bitter & alone at this rate! I wonder, "What kind of morals are you teaching the children who do look up to you?"
The guy pursued her upon their first meeting. He is in it for the sex with a hot, young girl.
He will never leave his wife. This is the oldest line in the play book. If were to divorice he would have done it already. He is just playing with the author of the article. All married guys who want a lover on the side all say the same things. "Unhappy with the wife but stay together because of ______, but will get a divorice upon (a condition that never materializes but is always just around the corner)."
She will get played for the coming years, waiting for him. But he will never fully arrive. Then she'll realize she lost much of her life to this while the rest of her peers have moved on.
Notaprude~apparently I am, as I think professing what you have is spriritual and deep, while admitting that you both have cheated on each other NUMEROUS times makes me so sad for you. How you & he can cheat on one another repeatedly and still claim to to "soulmates" is laughable at best. I think your definition of soulmates is quite different than most. I'd rather be a "prude" and have respect for myself and my husband than go thru life deluding myself.
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This whole article sounds like she's trying to justify her actions to herself. Ultimately she's selfish and delusional.